Graeber's reply to DeLong

read me here: Graeber can't deal with DeLong's endless trolling, he's dead, but I shall keep the record straight

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David's reply to DeLong never gets old
https://t.co/upyTqe25xz

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@Adrian_Hilton @GeorgeMonbiot @Otto_English No need to read The Dawn of Everything. Any anthropology book disproves what you just said

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@nils_gilman @MichaelESmith @xriskology yo there has been a point-by-point reply https://t.co/CaUtQpI8Mw

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@CRed355 @AaronBastani @novaramedia "...is simply doesn't scale up". This is an unwarranted assumption, and it's now been debunked by The Dawn of Everything https://t.co/OmNoPIWdHF

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@lexfridman Bin Sapiens, Lex, you've got to read THE DAWN OF EVERYTHING by Graeber&Wengrow

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@Borners1 @impgala @Noahpinion @cestperdu Brad DeLong who

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@TiltingatM3 @rkidp @GreySmithereens @UrbanLandRent A blog post that contains far more errors than everything Graeber wrote in his life

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@B4Btv @Richard_Paz @AntonJaegermm ...

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@PurpleWhale12 @gabzaffari @AntonJaegermm lol brad delong...

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@CaptSpauldingUS lol the guy is raving mad what is he saying?

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@Laurie_eee And yes, they marshal ethnographic evidence in support of a wide variety of political forms among h-g.

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@Laurie_eee But again, they don't say that sacred knowledge counts as private property; they say that the first types of private property took the form of sacred knowledge.

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@Laurie_eee They argue that you can't define it otherwise. As soon as you come up with different definitions, these don't apply to ancient 'states'.

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@Laurie_eee Yeah they do that (among other things). But how is this related to the point about private property and sacred knowledge above??

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@Laurie_eee They say that the modern state represents the combination of three forms of domination - violence, charismatic power and control over knowledge - each of which has no documented 'origin'.

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@Laurie_eee The example of private property they discuss is that of priests guarding sacred knowledge (a very limited domain of social life). Yes, societies had many forms of ownership within them

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@Laurie_eee Yes but it obviously doesn't say that everything sacred = private property. It discusses plenty of cases of non-exclusive spiritual ownership among h-g and other societies

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@Laurie_eee Lol where does Dawn of Everything say this? Most twisted reading of the book I've ever heard

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@kevinmcld @evantthompson @Helenreflects https://t.co/S5t7K3Kdkz

[David Wengrow @davidwengrow]

Sorry to state the obvious but if you start a study with the prior assumption that technologies of extraction, violence + control are what makes society “complex” you are logically bound to conclude that technologies of extraction, violence + control are drivers of “complexity”.

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@harari_yuval https://t.co/gwgevH9Glz

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@ManuelFdoPA @realLPBeria @arun_42 @dznarayanan @curaffairs @dawn_everything And here's Wengrow's reply

https://t.co/hMu6wrfT0W

[David Wengrow @davidwengrow]

We always intended that #TheDawnOfEverything would stimulate debate among our academic colleagues, but this really isn't the way. My answer to Dr. Bell, not very long, but a bit too long for a tweet - so for those who are interested, it's here in two screenshots back to back.