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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond It did until WW1

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond God I hate Berlinguer and the Historic Compromise

[Gramsci_Partigiano @GramsciPartisan]

@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond That and the fact that they had a lot of prestige from being the largest force in the resistance (which tbf is also why a lot of people voted for them)

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@RedFrontTweeter This is way to the right of the Second Internationale

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond Honestly it's an old story, it's what happened to the SPD too in the end

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond I don't know I think that at some point the PCI's defence of the Constitution stopped being tactical and became strategic/ideological, also I think that the DC would have had a hard time banning even a more revolutionary PCI

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond It fits exactly because the Italian Road to Socialism was premised on there being a broad democratic bloc to win a majority for socialism within the Republic's institutions that meant that the PCI sought to include the petty bourgeoisie as a key component of its class base

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond Because fundamentally the PCI became social-democratic because it accepted the premise that socialism could be built within the institutional limits of the 1946 Constitution, not because it agreed to a Badoglio-led government in 1944

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond I mean obviously in the end we don't know, but I think that Gramsci would have been able to limit the concessions the PCI gave and would have had a different attitude to Togliatti especially in the process of writing the Republican constitution

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@ihuffclearcoat @Lux_R_Spiral If real revolutionary communists started calling themselves social-democrats I can guarantee you that "social-democracy" would get smeared very quickly

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond Possibly not

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond Now that I think of it I had a high school friend who was the descendant of a KKE fighter who went into exile in Uzbekistan and then the Bulgarian People's Republic

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond No what it means is that the PCI had to show a commitment to the bourgeois state that the PSIUP was assumed to have anyway; the betrayal by the PCI consisted in not that they did the Salerno Turn, but that they turned it into a long-term political strategy

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond Yes but there was a mutual understanding imo, western leftists (me included, we are writing in English but I am Italian) need to understand that many of the contentious decisions in our history were taken with our active consent, they weren't just impositions from Moscow

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond I think that had more to do with the ties to Tito cultivated during the civil war than the fact that they fought in itself (although I don't know that much on the KKE post-defeat)

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond The PSIUP wasn't in a position to try and violently take power, the PCI was

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond Also I believe the KKE would have gladly "obeyed" Stalin, it's just that the British and the monarchists didn't let them, the Dekemvriana and subsequent behaviour meant that a Greek Salerno Turn wouldn't have been possible

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond More importantly Togliatti could sometimes convince Stalin, it's not like Stalin just made his mind up in a corner disconnected from the reality around him

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond Yes okay but that doesn't mean he simply ordered the PCI to do the Salerno Turn, which was something most of the PCI supported (including the more "hardline" ones such as Secchia)

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@hai_torto @BolshevikBeyond I would say it's just because the PCI had a greater sense of realism than the PSIUP at the time.