@Onii_exe Imo it's ok if the grappler isn't designed to vortex *but* they need to have decent neutral or other tools to pay off the lack of oki off the main cmd grab
Also depends on the context of the game tbf
there's a specific kind of conversation that happens a lot in the fgc that drives me nuts and it boils down to this format:
"there is literally no answer to my opponent using rock, rock is bullshit"
"uh, paper beats rock"
"yeah ok but if i use paper they just use scissors"
It's also crazy how the generation that called everything under the sun satanic and demonic see no issue with AI, something that can make anyone dead or alive do things they never did and say things they never said