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[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@liqiyu @NavinaHeyden Anatolian Greeks were way more Lydian, Phrygian and so on than Mycenaean, so not exactly the “real Greeks” either lol.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@ExcitableH @TekeLili222 @NavinaHeyden Smart to add that, better to stay on the safe side with the authorities. I wish you all the best.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@_sxovo @struztberk @grok @NavinaHeyden True, nothing bad. Balkan and Circassian refugees added some, North African influence is almost nonexistent. At the core, Turks are local Anatolian, which includes Iranian- and Caucasus-related ancestry, plus Central Asian from the Seljuks, already mixed with Iranians.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@_sxovo @struztberk @grok @NavinaHeyden Some of your ancestors fought the Chinese, some spoke other languages, like the Baiyue (related to Thai) or the Xianbei (Mongolic). Many were conquered and assimilated. And if all East Asians count as one race, then all Anatolians do too. So by your logic we’re a mix of two, max.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@_sxovo @struztberk @grok @NavinaHeyden So what? We’re not a cross of races either. Our DNA is roughly 80% Anatolian and 20% Central Asian. What do you even mean by race? When is something a different race and when not? You’re also made of peoples who once saw themselves as different and spoke other languages.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@liqiyu @NavinaHeyden Lol I don’t care, I don’t hold 1,300-year grudges. Relationships change, and I’m not a pan-Turkist. I’m about as Tujue as I am Lydian lol. Also, you want Uyghurs to accept Chinese rule, but they fought China too at some point. So did they take their enemy as father?

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@Arslolly @NavinaHeyden If they don’t, fine. That’s up to them. But whether they feel connected to China actually isn’t up to them. And why do you keep talking about testicles and sperm? What does that have to do with anything? Got a fetish or something?

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@_sxovo @struztberk @grok @NavinaHeyden Every big population is mixed, Han included. Northern Han carry Xianbei, Khitan and Mongol ancestry, southern Han descend largely from Baiyue peoples. And China officially unites 56 ethnicities. So what, ethnic separatism now? Can’t you mix? Ask Grok about that too.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@ExcitableH @TekeLili222 @NavinaHeyden If flights get a bit cheaper and I find the time, I’d love to come. But don’t forget you’re talking to me through a VPN. I think that alone says a lot about how strongly opinion is steered in China. Hope you enjoyed the concert.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@mczsjf45814 @NavinaHeyden Sure, many who fled in 1949 were officials and elites. Obviously, they were the communists’ ideological enemies. But the point is: they fled long before any “Western disinformation” existed. And those who fled after 2009 and 2017 weren’t feudal lords.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@lllllll12557561 @wanniantai @NavinaHeyden Are you coming along?

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@lllllll12557561 @wanniantai @NavinaHeyden Using a VPN in Xinjiang is itself flagged as suspicious by police surveillance apps, Human Rights Watch documented that. So “just jump the wall and post on X” isn’t that easy. And anonymous testimonies do exist, you just dismiss them. I’d love to visit, though.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@lllllll12557561 @wanniantai @NavinaHeyden It was a joke. What happens to a Uyghur in China who says “I’m not Chinese”? He’s branded a separatist and risks prison. So people keep quiet, and you take that silence as proof. Those who speak up abroad, you call terrorists. So no evidence could ever convince you.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@lllllll12557561 @wanniantai @NavinaHeyden So the truth lies with whoever has the biggest population? For a long time that was China, but I guess the truth now lies with the Indians.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@TQ543207511617 @NavinaHeyden Where did I say anyone should leave or make room? Nowhere. Your side said Uyghurs should “just leave” China. Also, try to be as clear as possible when talking to foreigners. Auto-translation doesn’t catch everything, and a lot of what you say sounds like gibberish to me.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@TQ543207511617 @NavinaHeyden So you admit China conquered Xinjiang. Thanks, that’s my point. The Mongols conquered China at one point too. It’s power politics, and China has the power to enforce it. Fine. But don’t pretend it’s anything else with your weird metaphors about houses and guests.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@TQ543207511617 @NavinaHeyden But Uyghurs didn’t come to China. China came to them. By your own logic, the newcomers are the Han settlers, not the Uyghurs. Or like whats your point? Lol.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@lllllll12557561 @wanniantai @NavinaHeyden No, I didn’t forget. That’s exactly my point: you reject diaspora Uyghurs as evidence, and Uyghurs in China can’t speak freely. So no evidence could ever convince you.

[sumcr @Gumbarand]

@NavinaHeyden I never said what Uyghurs have to think lol. But isn’t that exactly what you’re doing? One opinion is natural, the other “disinformed by the West”. Uyghurs fled to Turkey back in the 1950s, long before the West cared.