Chris Carr

Living history and museum enthusiast, likes non-league football on the side.

[Chris Carr @GyrweChris]

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@DavidandersonJd Yeah, expelling the Chagos islanders so the US could build a base at Diego Garcia was really bad. I'm glad the island is going back to Mauritius.

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@Mannudelfino @PhilRob97633615 @Jorgeschneide64 @JohnWight1 But not in relation to this issue. It doesn't address the sovereignty of any islands or territories and is legally irrelevant.

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@socsoyboy The islanders are a self-sufficient and self-governing people who manage their own affairs. Remaining a BOT just gives them the security to continue doing that.

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@Mannudelfino @PhilRob97633615 @Jorgeschneide64 @JohnWight1 Nothing true though. The islands aren't mentioned in the Nootka Convention which (in any case) was rendered null and void after Britain and Spain declared war in 1795.

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@DavidandersonJd 5.) That the islands are theirs by right, and the British are usurping pirates who expelled a settled population and implanted our own etc.

It's a unifying myth for Argentina and one thing they all agree on. Also provides useful cover for politicians who need a distraction.

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@DavidandersonJd 4.) The British position hardened, we invested in the islands more heavily, and new settlers have come from Chile and elsewhere. In a 2013 referendum, 99.8% of the islanders voted to remain British.

Even so, all Argentine schoolchildren since the time of Peron are taught...

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@drlemon91 @GlavnyKnstruktr Not true. Argentina has never brought the case before the ICJ.

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@Urk00dfr1end @IonCarnation The OP is correct - that proximity only exists because of the Argentine conquest of Patagonia and the lower Pampas from indigenous peoples in the 19th century. Argentina's 1825 borders were much further north.

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@Pazificate71316 @miauleurfou None of that is true. The islands were never part of the Rio de la Plata - Spain ran its Naval base on the islands from Madrid, not Buenos Aires).

The British claim dates to 1767 and has never been rescinded. As for 1833, the British allowed Vernet's settlers to remain.

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@JuanAlvaro2223 I do, and there's no similarity between the Falklands and Chagos islands. We acknowledge the Chagossians were expelled to make way for the US base at Diego Garcia, which is why they're being returned to Mauritius.

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@JuanAlvaro2223 @PolitikonZoon The islands were contested by Spain and Britain, but Argentina never inherited Spain's claim after gaining independence.

Vernet's settlement was not legal, but his settlers were allowed to remain after he and his officials were expelled.

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@JohnWight1 @Anapecalleddave @kwr66 @SatyagrahAlba But Troutbeck's memoirs show he misunderstood the events of 1833.

He believed Britain removed a whole population from Porto Luis when it was only Vernet's remaining officials who left. The settlers were allowed to stay, and their descendants still live on the islands.

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@JuanAlvaro2223 @jclib1990 They weren't. Spain ran its operations on the islands directly from Madrid under a separate budget in the Naval Ministry, not from Buenos Aires.

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@MadCarpincho @PunishedRWR Absolutely fine - you're the one responding with slurs instead of facts.

There's no similarity between the Falklands and Chagos islands. We acknowledge the Chagossians were expelled to make way for the US base at Diego Garcia, which is why they're being returned to Mauritius.

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@MadCarpincho @PunishedRWR And you're an expert on the history of the Chagos islands? None of the material you shared relates to the Falklands dispute.
If you're going to lash out, at least learn to take it back without getting rattled.

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@MadCarpincho @PunishedRWR We acknowledge slavery and colonialism all the time.

Argentina will always cry victim over the Falklands and avoid responsibility for its genocide against the indigenous peoples of Patagonia and the Pampas, whose surviving communities are still discriminated against now.