@RealMonotheist@jxvier66@enesovat22 There's nothing like bible being "partially corrupted" if you can't produce the audit trail of the original, or the authority being used to declare it corrupted. Islam is based on logical fallacies.
@RealMonotheist@jxvier66@enesovat22 Bible doesn't speak of Jesus as part of creation through the word "be". Neither did Adam receive such. Jesus instead is the vessel, through which everything came into existence. He is the author/origin of the words "let there be." God is never separated from His word.
@RealMonotheist@Ifeanyi93498170@enesovat22 Adam didn't have capacity to give life via the Spirit. The question is what Jesus says about the Spirit's relationship to Himself. Jesus says of the Spirit: "He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of MINE, and shall shew it unto you." — John 16:14
@Kryptotajeer Submission is a matter of the heart. It's not about kneeling or bowing down, applying ash, putting on sacks, being circumcised; you can practice all that but the orientation of the heart is far from the expression, far away from God.
@Jafar_Rosicky@Atomsmade This is the misery in Islam, not after winning souls, but all about fighting Christianity. There's no difference between Islam and atheism, provided they both on one mind and spirit to fight Christianity. Lost people, without a shepherd.
@Jafar_Rosicky@Ihunanya_chi@IsmailI3360 And notice your own argument: you say angels merely "carry out God's command." Fine. Then explain why this particular angel speaks in God's own first person, identifies Himself as God, claims Jacob's vow as being made to Him, gives life as per Hagar's testimony, provides etc.
@IsmailI3360@Ihunanya_chi John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, I said, you are gods’? 35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—
@Jafar_Rosicky@Ihunanya_chi@IsmailI3360 In short, man is the subject, God is the object of reconciliation from Genesis to Revelation. Angels are not objects of reconciliation. He that came down from heaven said, John 8:24 "... UNLESS you believe that I am he you will die in your sins."
@Jafar_Rosicky@Ihunanya_chi@IsmailI3360 Bible is not fundamentally a book about angels, nor is the Gospel a message about angels.
The central problem is man's broken relationship with God because of sin, and the Gospel is God's work of reconciling man to Himself.
"God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself."
@Jafar_Rosicky@Ihunanya_chi@IsmailI3360 According to Qur'an that confusion exists. In the Bible, despite the fact that angels are ministering spirit, the one that appeared to Mary is not the he that overshadowed her to conceive Jesus. Gabriel says to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you...", not "I Gabriel will..."
@Jafar_Rosicky@Ihunanya_chi@IsmailI3360 You're explaining what angels and prophets generally do, but that doesn't answer the specific text in Genesis 31:11 where Jacob says:
"The angel of God said to me in the dream…" But when the speaker describes Himself in verse 13, He says: "I am the God of Bethel."
@IsmailI3360@Ihunanya_chi 36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’?
@IsmailI3360@Ihunanya_chi John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, I said, you are gods’? 35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken—
@IsmailI3360@Ihunanya_chi identified Himself with the divine "I AM" (John 8:58), and said, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30). His Jewish opponents understood the claim well enough to accuse Him of making Himself God (John 10:33).
@IsmailI3360@Ihunanya_chi Saying "Jesus never said He is God" doesn't settle the matter. Jesus did not need to utter the modern sentence, "I am God, worship me," for His identity to be revealed. He claimed authority to forgive sins (Mark 2:5–12), accepted worship (Matthew 14:33; John 9:38),
@IsmailI3360@Ihunanya_chi The Christian claim is not that God ceased to be Creator and became dependent upon His creature. It is that the eternal Word of God entered His creation to redeem it. "The Word was God" and "the Word became flesh" (John 1:1,14).
@Jafar_Rosicky@JBHORSLEY it a meaning that excludes the sacrificial system or God's own provision for atonement.
Can a human judge execute someone for another person's crime? Obviously, those texts say no.
Can God Himself provide and accept a voluntary sacrifice for sin?
@Jafar_Rosicky@JBHORSLEY Jeremiah 31:30 says, "Everyone shall die for his own iniquity." But Jeremiah's new-covenant context immediately goes on to describe God's covenantal forgiveness and the removal of sin. So you cannot simply quote the statement and then impose upon ...