Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️

Professor of Logic down at the University of Science. Some Dumbass, 27 & Dude || Top 1% in Big Five Neuroticism

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy This is called “trade”. If it’s a new concept to you I can suggest some reading.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

It literally cannot be a right lol. It both requires others labor and cannot be ensured. Whether you think it should be socialized/nationalized or not, the rights framing is just incoherent.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy Yes, you’re the picture of intelligence. I’m in awe.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy The reason labor in the case of “the right to healthcare” is compulsory is because it inherently requires others labor, through payment and practice. Completely different thing.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy It also is just dumb parallel to begin with since no one sane believes others should have to pay for their guns.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy You claimed I said the right to bear arms requires labor.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@BurtRock69 @WayofLono The point isn't it being a replacement, it's that what's happening isn't compensation. Strictly speaking the restoration in that case isn't coming from the gov but the thief.

What issue does my analogy have?

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy Before I address this, I'd love to see where I said what you claim I did.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@BurtRock69 @WayofLono Ofc they do, that's a different scenario than the one you presented though. Regardless, in that case the violation of rights is remedied by returning something incidental to the enforcement duty. And still, it's not the government giving you replacements. So not really analogous.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy I most certainly did not if you think I did I'd love to see where you think I did lol, and as I've said the supposed right is a negative one- it does not give you arms, it says you can't be prevented from owning one. There is no compelled labor involved.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy I said the exact opposite lol. You claimed it requires others labor, I pointed out it's a right not to be barred from owning one lol. I'm really not sure how it's possible you're this turned around by your own statements.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy Dude, obviously not. Is your argument that healthcare as a right doesn't necessitate tax funding for access? Otherwise this is just arguing against yourself.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@BurtRock69 @WayofLono Who do not restore you after someone violates your rights.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy Dude, that's what the healthcare equivalent to giving away guns would be lol.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy So you don't want the government paying for your healthcare?

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@BurtRock69 @WayofLono No conceptual differences between things determine how we treat them in the real world. It is not at all true that our understanding of ideas don’t effect things. They literally determine how we treat and respond to everything.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@BurtRock69 @WayofLono That’s exactly the point. It’s a close parallel and the fact the gov doesn’t pay proves my point.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy It really does tho lol

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@pranklinmyboy You do understand the right to bear arms doesn't mean we distribute arms to people correct?

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@BurtRock69 @WayofLono Worth noting that if you’re interested in this there are some prominent theorists who hold what I gather to be your view. But they’ve been to my mind pretty thoroughly rebutted. My position and that of their critics is that what’s being described is a moral duty not a right.

[Harry 🧙🏻‍♂️ @Harryofthe]

@BurtRock69 @WayofLono It’s a structural difference. I think you’re interpreting me to be arguing ab a policy or regulatory line that I’m not. I’m simply saying I don’t see how you can justify those things on a rights basis.