Honestly this is why I've never been fully anti or pro AI. The commission ecosystem has genuine problems and pretending otherwise isn't helping anyone. Rare take with actual nuance. Squ is incredibly based.
I think we're talking past each other. I'm not asking whether you think generative AI is ethical. I'm asking why specifically in the context of a private reference used to communicate an idea between a client and an artist for a commission serves a fundamentally different role than a moodboard?
>client wants to commission artist
>client unsure about design so uses AI for ideas/reference (arguably best use case of AI art)
>admits instead of hiding it
>gets rejected, screenshot, and farmed for twitter engagement because of AI
I'm genuinely confused lol. What is the endgame here.
@AnimeSourcerer@Chibiisaurus Fair point. I should've said "their own commissioned character" instead. However, you're asserting that all AI use is unethical regardless of context. And it doesn't answer the comparison I was making about references in a commission workflow.
@MikeNognig@AnimeSourcerer@Chibiisaurus You're free to disagree. But I don't think I've downplayed artists at all. My entire point is about someone using AI as a reference/tool.
@AnimeSourcerer@Chibiisaurus That's a different argument though. I'm asking about the purpose of the reference in a commission. If the client is still paying an artist to create an original piece, why is an AI-generated visualization categorically different from a moodboard made from other artists work?
An important detail I forgot to mention: the client used their own commissioned VRoid model as the AI input. They weren't feeding some random artists work into AI, they were iterating on a character they already paid an artist to create before commissioning another artist.
I'm asking specifically in the context of references. If the end goal is still commissioning an artist, what is the meaningful difference between an AI-generated reference and a moodboard made from multiple artists' work?
Also, this wasn't someone feeding a random artists OC into AI. It was the client's own commissioned character that they own the rights to use. That context is pretty important.
Not a hot take at all imo. AI is arguably at its best as a tool. Rejecting clients for using it to better explain what they want seems counterproductive. People have been using other artists work as references for decades. I don't really see why AI used for the same purpose is treated as differently.
@DXFromYT I think using AI as a reference to communicate an idea isn't meaningfully different from making a moodboard. People send references from other artists all the time. The commissioned artist is still doing the actual creative work while the AI image is just a communication tool.
Saying "at least my mom is still alive" to dunk on someone and then immediately acting morally righteous after is actually insane behavior.
Asmon's been open about his family. But I guess pretending none of that exists is easier for your pathetic psychoanalyzing narrative.
Like.. Asmon, one of the biggest Twitch streamers whose community is vile af, will just say this about a Trans woman with 10 CCV and nobody cares:
โI donโt even see these people as peopleโ and compares her to a dog
Remember when this was against Twitch TOS?