Deeming the manufacturer fully responsible for these deaths does not work because the only people he gave the weapons to in the first place was the United States Government, he doesn’t control what they do.
That’s like blaming companies like ford for fatal car accidents or gun manufacturers for school shootings, rather than the ones that are actually behind the wheel or trigger. There is nuance with this, and it’s fair to criticize Tony if he actually did sell weapons to a terrorist organization, but he didn’t, it was done illegally by Obadiah Stane behind his back.
That is such a stupid argument because all Tony did was manufacture weapons with the intention of fighting against the enemy, not for his weapons to actually harm innocent people. He didn’t realize this till his own weapons were by terrorists to ambush him and a couple soldiers.
Did you watch Iron Man? Because this was quite literally the point in his arc, and he never directly killed anyone with his weapons.
I’ve explained to you, multiple times, on why you aren’t right on this point, and instead of actually reading or engaging, you’ve jumped to conclusions of me believing bombs save lives, so let me spell it out for you.
I never said Tony was fully right in this, or that his weapons didn’t cause death. My point is that this being used to defend red guardian doesn’t work because it wasn’t direct and he wasn’t intentionally trying to cause deaths of innocent people. Not to mention the fact that he’s actually realized the error of his ways and stopped weapons manufacturing as soon as he realized how it was affecting other people, even with good intentions. There’s nothing that shows him being a mustache-twirling, genocidal maniac. And he’s not the one who uses the weapons, so at best, this is indirect.
Red Guardian, unlike Tony, did what he did directly, and suffered little to no consequences and didn’t take accountability to change and move forward. Flattening Tony’s character arc and ignoring any real nuance isn’t a good argument
…did you even read my tweet? I never said that he was fully right, my point was that he didn’t have the intention to harm actual innocent people.
If all you’re gonna do is argue in bad faith and strawman my tweets, claiming that I believe “bombs save lives” (when I never said they do) then you are clearly being disingenuous and I’d rather not engage with you. He’s not genocidal, manufacturing weapons with good intentions is not genocidal, and your clip doesn’t prove or help your point either because you clearly don’t understand the actual point in the story.
Also, OP is saying this in defense for Red Guardian in the MCU, a Soviet super soldier who willingly participated in trafficking children for the red room, namely his adoptive daughters, which can fall under numerous crimes. Not to mention he’s committed homicide as well, and despite all of this, he didn’t have any kind of redemption or reconciliation with his actions, instead he’s just treated as a goofy and stupid character to make jokes and that’s almost all he does, which is completely different from his character the beginning of Black Widow.
Are we sure Iron Man is a good comparison in defense for this poorly written character?
Tony never used his weapons, he manufactured them with the intention of saving lives, even when it wasn’t the best way to do so. He’s displayed as a flawed, selfish character too, but there’s nowhere that shows him being a genocidal murderer with the intention of evil.
He didn’t “start caring” just because he almost died and got ambushed, it’s because the weapons his company manufactured, were being used against them to harm others, including himself. You’re just flattening his character arc just because he almost died, he changed when it’s more than that… did you watch it?
@nevanskiyt@AdrianKoll85962 I’m autistic, and I don’t give a shit about the word retard. It’s not even a slur, and it holds no weight to the n-word or hard r, it’s a nothing burger.
This isn’t real ableism and you probably haven’t experienced real ableism in your life.
This is not a good comparison because in the comics, he does kill her three sons, and he leaves her to be mauled by a polar bear, no one would survive that confrontation easily, but she did, and she’s mostly bed bound at that point, meaning she’s more behind the scenes than anything.
In the special, she’s literally in the car as her last son is getting killed, yet despite this, Punisher doesn’t do anything to her, and later goes right to his face to tell him she put a hit on him, while Frank just stands there and doesn’t do anything to her.
Just because something similar happens in the comics, doesn’t justify the terrible writing that leads to the moment in the special.
One Last Kill sucks, I’m sorry. The story wouldn’t have happened if the Punisher actually finished the job, but no he let this handicapped women live despite being right in front of him, declared the job done, and then she put a hit on him while telling it straight to his face when she can barely even stand, spitting in his face and saying “I’m the one who’s doing the punishing now” when all Frank has to do is snap this twig in half.
Acting is decent, action can be fun, the story is dogshit, and I’m tired of seeing the retread of Punisher retiring. Please do something new for once.
I’ve started a rewatch of og Daredevil and the quality difference is insane. Claire in one episode is a full fleshed out character. She has depth in one episode that BA side characters lack across 2 seasons and ample screen time. And Matt is still the prominent character. Insane.
I’m tired of selective outrage, white people shouldn’t be treated differently just because of how people from other ethnicities were treated back then. The same goes for any race. I mean, people want equality, but then people like OP make retarded arguments like this, acting as if white people are below others, or vice versa.
No, we are all equal, and I’m tired of people like this trying to say otherwise, and they shouldn’t be labeled as minorities or be separated into groups, it can be diminishing.
What are we talking about? They are literally both the samething and are both problematic. You can have “representation” (And there already is representation) without race swapping other characters by creating new ones, and that goes both ways.
Only labeling it on white washing because it’s the white skin color is hypocritical and does nothing but undermine people who are white, the same way white washing undermines black people, we are all equal, and we should all be treated as such.
It’s either all race-swaps are okay or no race-swaps are okay, we are all literally human, even if some of us have varying backgrounds.
This is a complaint I’ve seen more than once, and I disagree. This is an adaptation.
Given the continuity of the movies, it makes more sense for Shadow to be an alien, how would Gerald have been able to replicate an alien species almost perfectly. Maria wasn’t ever really known to be sick in the games until Shadow 05 and Gerald’s Journal, samething with Maria being shot.
They still ultimately capture the importance and tragedy of Shadow and Maria’s relationship, with Shadow not knowing what his purpose is and Maria being the first (and only) person to actually treat him normally, with her death still affecting Shadow. So in context with the previous two movies, it makes more sense for them to go with this direction, and they still capture the basis of how good the relationship was, combine that and how much we see them together
It’s not like the movie even softens this dynamic or the tragedy. Shadow still doesn’t know where he belongs, yet Maria is the first person to actually treat him like a real person. Her death is still tragic and has a horrible impact on Shadow. The big differences is some changes to make it fit in with the continuity of the movies.
If anything, the movie having these changes makes the dynamic even more appear because it’s not like Maria even needs Shadow, she just genuinely likes him as a person. That’s not to say she didn’t care in the games obviously, but still.
It’s an adaptation at the end of the day, if I really wanted to see something similar or one-to-one I’d just play Sonic Adventure 2 again
Keep in mind right, when I say that it’d be ridiculous for Gerald to replicate a alien species if they were to try and go at the angle, what I mean is like in the continuity of the first two movies: Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles are all extraterrestrial aliens who aren’t from Earth. It would be very unrealistic for Gerald to somehow replicate an alien species almost perfectly when there wouldn’t be any contact with them until 50 years later.