@Crow__lol (selon toi)
(selon d'autres, plus mesurés, plutot d'accord dans l'ensembles, si ce n'est que LoL pourrait etre en S, Fortnite en B ou A, selon les gouts, Smash/Street Fighter ou Trackmania pourraient etre en A)
(EN VRAI c'est selon les gouts, donc dire que c'est frauduleux...)
le mec est meilleur que Léaumant en politique, meilleur qu'Emmodem en débat, meilleur qu'AvaMind en mix, meilleur que Faker en mécaniques, meilleur que Nadal en tennis...
pourtant à chaque fois que je le vois il est en train de perdre une game de LoL en se bavant dessus
Et le pire c’est quand ils te font des appels de phare, ya pas plus cringe et kéké.
Oh et quand t’es en train de doubler par la voie de gauche, que les gens devant toi sont plus lents et que ya un impatient derrière qui essaie de te doubler par la droite jpp
Les gens qui te collent sur la route, t’as juste envie de piler et qu’ils te rentrent dedans mais vas-y, flemme, j’vais pas risquer ma caisse et ma vie avec ces trouduc
Tl:dr not nerfing mages, but buffing unused ADC tools (?) and flat MR for ADC (which is nice)
But buffing FLEET FOOTWORK and BESERKERS GREAVES and HEAL literally isn't going to do anything, how does that stop mages from oneshotting the wave and stomping you in lane/midgame??
Mages Bot and Approach for 26.16
26.15 Rundown releasing later tonight; got a bit delayed this week
Mages Bot in Pro Play
- While Mages Bot at MSI only represented ~20% of picks (and often felt like much more), we have been seeing a significant uptick in their presence and priority at EWC and Kespa Cup and it seems only likely to continue increasing
- This presence has also started to trickle its way into Ranked play in a major way
- Only a few months ago in March, we were seeing a significantly Enchanter and range dominated support meta, which also resulted in ADC and hyper carries in bot lane being very powerful
- These champions benefitted a lot from the Season Start 2026 changes; from things like the ADC quest hyperscaling with Enchanters + changes to nerf roaming in the support role generally
- So in Patch 26.11, we made some adjustments to buff melee supports, nerf ranged supports, especially Enchanters
- But at the same time, some certain chefs were also cooking some clever ways to bypass some of the anti-roaming and lane swap controls that we added into the Support quests at the start of the year
- What resulted was 2 major swings towards roaming supports and away from ADC bot (it’s an interesting thought experiment for what would have happened if we had changed nothing about the First Stand Enchanter meta and had the roaming developments play out)
- While we overall like Mages bot being viable in some capacity, what we’re observing now is arguably too far of a swing in the other direction, players are familiar with and we still want to support ADC as being a primary supported class there
- All of the previously listed dissatisfactions with gameplay that led us to nerf support roaming in Season Start 2026 still stand and in that set of changes, we intentionally went a bit lighter on some of the anti-lane swap, anti-support roaming controls to avoid overly punishing either accidental roaming or unique playstyles
- We’ve also heard a lot of the Pro Player complaints about the meta and are taking that into consideration
- We don’t want to force them to suddenly completely swap subclasses by suddenly making ADC and that learnt skill expression unviable, so it’s a fine balance
- That said, for those who want to learn it, we want to encourage and allow for skill expression of Pros to play a variety of things resulting in more flexible comps, dynamic lanes, etc. and greater champ variety long term
Mages Bot in Regular Play
- A lot of this “excitement” has also made its way to regular play
- Players have been excited to try out Mages bot. That said, not everyone is excited about that; Mages represent a natural counter to ADC for a decent chunk of the game duration and people trying to replicate the Pro Play Support roaming style often causes more grief to their lane partners than benefit
- Overall, we like that Mages are playable bot as it adds to a lot of variety in the lane and the games that players play
- However, too many mages bot with them being too powerful in certain cases results in undermining a lot of the mastery and expectations of what can be played in the lanes
- We’re not looking to adjust this power dynamic significantly as a result (eg. Mages have earlier spiking, smoother scaling curves. ADC have later & stronger scaling, but sharper successes and failures), but we are looking to address some of the magnitude of differences to make some of them less extreme
- eg. Flattening the differences between Mages and ADC bot so they have the same smooth builds, the same amount of mana, similar levels of spikes, etc. is a quick way to make it so there’s no class differentiation, even if it would “solve the problem”
- The profile of Mages in bot lane is also quite dissimilar to how they manifest in Pro Play
- For several years now, Mages bot like Brand, Swain, Ziggs, Veigar, Seraphine, Xerath etc. often don’t win by allowing a support to roam (especially historically), they often win by either poking you out with the support or 2v2 killing especially in average play
- They also have higher winrates on account of having higher starting winrates for first time plays compared to ADC, shallow mastery curves and favorable matchups in some (but not all) cases against ADC
- Their winrates as a result, I think are misleading for their true power level, in the same way that one shouldn’t be alarmed by Malphite having a 52-53% winrate (high winrate as a novice, low skill growth)
What are we doing?
- In 26.16 we will be making some targeted adjustments to these dynamics; some examples
- Straight nerfs to support roaming using already established levers (starting at upping out of lane support gold/xp penalty from 25% until level 3 >>> 33% until level 5
- Buffs to some underpowered ADC tools (Berserker’s Greaves, Fleet)
- Buffs to ADC base MR, nerfs to MR growth
- Buffs to Heal
- We’re also testing a variety of speculative things; will share more later in the week once we’re more firm on tactics
Thank you to everyone for all your passion and thoughts on these topics. We want to strike the right balance between increasing and rewarding diversity of playstyles in the game; the rate of these adoptions and how much burden we’re putting on the player base and Pro Players for said diversity
"Do you think I'd want to play Swain? I don't. I picked ADC because I wanted to play marksmen, but instead the mages are causing me trouble. I think picks like Ziggs can exist as niche counterpicks... But they shouldn't become the meta."
- Gumayusi, 3 time ADC World Champion
HLE Gumayusi 🇰🇷 on the bot lane meta: "I've always felt that choosing a role is almost like choosing a class in another game"
"Every role has something people want from it. If you play top, there are things you expect from top. If you play mid, there are things you expect from mid. And if you choose ADC, there's a reason you chose ADC"
"What do I want from ADC? I want to play auto-attack-based champions. Champions that rely on basic attacks, that's why I became an ADC player"
Tellement déçu en lisant les commentaires que y ait autant de personnes qui partagent cet avis à mes yeux désastreux, en tant qu’ADC, la meta est ennuyeuse à jouer, et je déteste regarder des mecs comme Caliste devoir jouer des champions comme Ziggs, etc
Moi je suis desolé mais je l'aime bien cette méta
Tous les picks peuvent êtres joués partout
On a des game avec un tempo ultra rapide car tes supp roam
C'est des bribes de souvenirs de 2019/2018 (quand rekkles sfait bench pour Bwipo) qui me plaisent
Les anglais c’est vraiment nos frères, j’aime trop ce pays #fraeng
On a perdu mais le goût n’est pas amère, merci à l’équipe de France, merci aux anglais et surtout merci Didier
You have been given everything your whole career, handed to you on a silver platter.
You have been by far the most favored and protected player in the history of football.
No denies your footballing ability but please have some fucking shame for once.
Los argentinos se burlan de los terremotos de Chile y Venezuela; tildan a Uruguay de provincia; utilizan “peruano”, “boliviano” y “paraguayo” como insulto; se burlan de los asesin4tos en México; hacen chistes racist4s contra Ecuador y Colombia; y hasta hoy se mofan del lamentable accidente de Chapecoense.
PERO, OJO, tú no puedes hacer ninguna broma sobre Las Malvinas “porque no todo se vale y hay líneas que no se pueden cruzar.”
Los argentinos no solo son unos hipócritas de mierda, son muy LLORONES y ya cansa.
C’est ça votre « goat » ? Bah ptn on a vraiment pas les même critères, je préfère des humains avec autant de talent que lui voir même plus mais surtout qui ont une bien meilleure mentalité et plus de valeurs que lui, et je peux en citer plusieurs.
Lui c’est le goat des merdes oui