Indiana Moderate

Moderate libertarian, Teacher (MS Science, HS Biology, HS CTE Health Occupations), Mom. Gen X-er.

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@Ezra4Liberty Look at that. Moderate libertarian. Who would have expected that?

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@JohnRad15 This all looks like you're pretending you'd be better off hunting and foraging as opposed to trading your labor for money. That's not a strawman.

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@JohnRad15 You want to generalize your experience to justify your political ideology, but if anyone else does that, you call it sampling bias.

There are a lot of good ways to help struggling families. Authoritarian collectivism isn't one of them.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro You're projecting your own rhetorical corners. ;)

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro I said that pre-contact indigenous tribes that had property rights and voluntarily exchanged goods and services were capitalist, even if they were primitive capitalist.

The rest is you arguing with your imagination.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro I know what profit is. But when you're talking about civilizations that traded and didn't profit, I'm wondering what you think that looked like lol.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro You're projecting your own weirdness. It's Marxists who act like capitalism was invented in the 1700s.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro That's stupid, and you know it's stupid. Most genocides have been committed by non-capitalist countries. I agree that's a fine stopping point. Lol

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro I'm saying if they had property rights and the freedom to voluntarily exchange goods and services, they were capitalist, even if they were primitive capitalist.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro I'm saying however you're defining genocide, capitalism isn't worse than not capitalism. You're just trying to connect unrelated things.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro Profit as determined by whom? If I buy something from you because I value the good and service enough to part with X dollars, and you value X dollars enough to provide a good or service in exchange, who profited from whom?

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro What economic systems don't commit genocides?

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro Correct. And they controlled the means of production on their own property.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro You are saying that if a country you call capitalist does something that you say isn't capitalist, that proves capitalism isn't what it says it is.

Do you apply that logic to other economic systems?

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro You're projecting your own ignorance.

And this doesn't support your claim at all. You're grasping at straws & pretending that's evidence of your illogical claim.

Property rights and freedom to voluntarily exchange goods and services relies on private ownership of production.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro No its not lol. You're arguing with your imagination and declaring yourself the winner of the debate you're having with yourself without using data or logic.

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro Which precolonial society had strong property rights and free exchange of goods and services, but didn't have private ownership of means of production?

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro This has absolutely nothing to do with your claim, nor is it an example of an economy where people had strong property rights and freedom to voluntarily exchange goods and services, but where the means of production isn't privately owned?

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro Are you saying can exist, like in your imagination? Or are you saying it can exist, like there are actual examples of this existing?

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@JasonBerger1 @msetechnologist @MeltingSnowBro Is there an example of an economy, past or present, where people had strong property rights and freedom to voluntarily exchange goods and services, but where the means of production isn't privately owned?