@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 Look, you clearly have some more coherent thoughts than the average Ukrainian-ultra account on this site, but this argument is impossible if we don't get into *why* a state asserts sovereignty - what is a state and where does it come from, why is human life organised this way?
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 The selection effect makes no sense here regarding humans - contrary to some popular claims, the non-existence of Ukraine does not mean the non-existence of those who live in these territories (unlike, say, Barbarossa, where tens of millions were slaughtered)
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 Yes, true - but a framework of internationally recognised borders in the first place guarantees war, as states are necessarily in competition and accept nothing above them, so turning to force is the result of two incompatible state interests.
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 My point is not that Russia is peace-loving but that an opportunistic ceasefire to preserve battlefield gains is not evidence of that for anyone
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 Unconditional, no, no beer for me, but around 2023 it was reported Russia was looking for some kind of a ceasefire (obviously opportunistically as they were at their weakest around this time and wished to prevent Ukrainian land recapture) https://t.co/1lp17nvRMs
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 Yes, it is made real, it is not made reasonable - an identification can be false, insofar as there is not the imagined moral community here but a relation of subjection to a particular state.
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 But I am not saying they "truly want" to do anything. Plus - that the abstract "Ukrainians" do not want to surrender says nothing about any given Ukrainian - this isn't the relation that we are seeing here.
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 National identity is *not* prior to membership in a state - someone can live in one and identify with another, and borders are not drawn up on this basis (or the Russo-Ukrainian war could hardly have occurred)
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 But check if that coheres? What do I have in common with every British person? Culture - no - a billionaire and I are worlds apart, I'm closer to a middle class American. Language? No - other people speak English. The only thing actually held in common is my passport.
@Bad_Species1@North_Aotearoa@Kholina54321 Why does that make it true or false who X territory "really" belongs to? Russia clearly treats that memorandum as revokable paper