God keeps bringing the gospel to the worldās biggest stage. Former Navy SEAL Chadd Wright was on Joe Rogan, sharing how the cross is foolishness to the natural man, but real faith happens when God makes us alive to believe the gospelāChristās death, burial, and resurrection.
2 Corinthians 5:20:
āTherefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.ā
We plant the seedsāGod brings the harvest.
How is White wrong? In your comment, are you assuming āallā means all creation from all time without exception? Can you substantiate any of this in context? Or, does it only mean all people from all time without exception? Or, all people of the age of accountability onward from all time without exception? (Etc.)
Please give us reasoning for your firm conclusion, because āall without distinctionā or āall kinds ofā perfectly fits the context and grammar.
@RevReads289 Itās all Godās work, not manās. IOW, those who receive Christ do so because of God first working in them. Always go to first principles.
@ProvisionistP So have I. But there are also primary, secondary, and tertiary issues. For example, my eschatology has shifted some over the past few years, but thatās a secondary issue for me. Also, not conflating dogma with preferences and things like that.
Always hit on the foundations when debating someone. Otherwise itās akin to dancing on the stars. Going round and round⦠while accomplishing very little.
It saves time and keeps the conversation grounded.
A fun quote to discuss, with the latter part most likely being from Spurgeon. The point is clear nonetheless⦠a discussion on the will of man.
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Always hit on the foundations when debating someone. Otherwise itās akin to dancing on the stars. Going round and round⦠while accomplishing very little.
It saves time and keeps the conversation grounded.
Sure, but the whiney passive aggressive comments get old. Suggestion: being the thought police may not advance your cause. We should come together on foundational agreements, while still be able to discuss disagreements. And itās okay if you āreally-reallyā disagree, but maybe donāt engage if you get offended by any argument but yours. š
You donāt seem to want to discuss this important topic in good faith, and Iām showing you your representative literally basing humility in man (many other quotes on his site as well). The key point is about placing God as the reason for oneās humility to want to believe in Christ, as scripture says, not man as the originator. Feel free to defend the latter, if youād like. Thatās a line you do not seem to want to touch with a 10 foot pole.
Also, itās best not to generally assign verses meant for Christians as a source formula applied to and assuming unbelievers as originators of their faith. Have a great day. š
Let me attempt to clear up what Iām saying (the foundational argument). Itās not about humility being bad. Humility is a good thing! The issue is the source. Flowers seems to argue that an unbeliever can muster up humility to seek God on his own, to then receive saving grace. He anchors this in his overarching filter of ālibertarian free will.ā The Calvinist, or at least me, says itās a both/and. The source is from God to enable one to do so AND the person will do it (freely, though not in the libertarian sense of autonomy; freedom does not require libertarianism). A manās desires change, wants change, etc. and he acts accordingly. These are miraculous workings of the godhead as the source, not manās heart being the source to one day become humble enough to want to worship Christ forever. This is my entire foundational point. This is why there is no boasting, because we didnāt originate it. You canāt originate it and then claim thereās no boasting! The Bible assumes God is the originator.
Flowers acts as if random people can become humble, as if they are the source, and then cites verses for Christians or under a larger context of indicative statements. Thatās the issue. Again, tag him if you want.
Iāll attach his logic and will leave you with this. He sources this in man while Iām just saying to go deeper and source it in God, the proper source, which then flows through the one believing (both/and):
Drewā¦. You still havenāt reached out. I want to catch up and hear what you have going on in life, ministry, etc. Seriously. Just as friends. Havenāt talked to you since likely a video we were on a few years ago or something. Iāll pm you my number or we can do a video chatā¦. Whateverās easier. Iām up for either! (No clouds involved š)