@DrewJohnson23@DrJoelGator I agree the Gov is pushing a narrative.
But, fetuses can and do make antibodies while in the womb. Antibodies can be present from fetus or mother and determined where they came from by subtype. The infants lung tissue was tested, active infection confirmed, not antibodies.
@AboutPediatrics@kerpen@AboutPediatrics Did you, as an MD, just post a graph titled ‘Last year was the most measles cases in the US since 1991’, which doesn’t have the case rate for the year 1991… or the next 8 years following?
Is it because it would make your last bar nearly 3x smaller??
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@johndickson72@DrJoelGator Agreed. Need a long interview with the lead pathologist. Do they ever speak publically? I assumed the coroner was the ‘spokesperson’ for the department kind of a situation. Not sure.
@TMilpap@Gone2Now_Here@DrJoelGator we don’t know if that was already done or what else pathologist used to make determination. Need that clarified, but right now the pathologists seem most expert and close to the evidence.
Also spleen rupture can happen for many reasons during childbirth. Need all clarified.
@TMilpap@Gone2Now_Here@DrJoelGator You’re right that it wasn’t just antibodies. Lung tissue showed active infection. Also antibody type would show if they came from mom or infant.
But, pathologists/ forensic lab determined cause and ruled out measles, coroner is just the spokesperson.
Microscopy is needed, but
@johndickson72@DrJoelGator of both. Bc right now, I’m not sure anyone alive truly knows.
Measles killed millions, yea but before sanitation, ok but still thousands, yea but thousand die from flu, vaccines work, studies are flawed & short, experts say safe, experts say both.
Round and round.
@johndickson72@DrJoelGator Fair and fair. Also, seems we need microscopy of spleen tissue to be definitive. Even then, definitive may be impossible.
Measles has killed a lot of people. Apparently vaccines have side effects including death. Maybe someday we’ll have an AI able to actually calculate net harm
@drterrysimpson is evidence that may not be true, shouldn’t we want our elected officials to let us know and dig into it?
If a Rep Gov publicly was saying no measles deaths, and Dem comm. /coroner lab was finding cases, wouldn’t we want that evidence presented?
@drterrysimpson Does the coroner not report the findings of the forensics lab and pathologists? Why is his specialty relevant?
And didn’t this start bc Gov said 2 deaths, but only 1 case was reported to coroner? Where is the 2nd?
Gov said people died in a manner not seen for 35-years. If there
@johndickson72@DrJoelGator valid conclusion to refute he died from the knife would.’
Doesn’t work like that. Could have been the knife, but the forensics lab determined gun shot. Need to know the other details to put it to rest.
But facts lean towards gunshot, knife wound was ruled a non-factor.
@johndickson72@DrJoelGator the cause of the laceration (i.e. prolonged childbirth, ligament strain, resuscitation efforts, bleeding disorder, etc) does not make their initial determination less credible.
‘He died of gunshot wound.’ They haven’t said where he was shot, or how many times, so that isn’t a
@Bk4theFireworks@DrJoelGator@grok Also it looks like German Measles aka Rubella is the one where enlarged spleen/ liver/ lymph nodes is common. Not normal Measles like this case.
@Bk4theFireworks@DrJoelGator@grok Good point, I only saw the Polish study saying it occurs in 15% of infants born with measles. But there’s almost no other studies and that study only had 26 infants. So 15% could be considered ‘common’ if true but nowhere near enough data/studies to know if 15% is accurate.
@johndickson72@DrJoelGator Elected officials being partisan is assumed.
‘Lacerated’ versus ‘ruptured’ may have bearing.
Objectively, it appears current facts lean towards not caused by measles.
Subjectively, Gov still not releasing info on 2nd case and not addressing Coroner statements doesn’t look good.
@Holy_Jelli@CommissionerJP@MaryBowdenMD So not normal measles. Congenital measles is super rare. Also the German Measles, like normal measles and Mumps, were almost always had as a kid prior to vaccine. So 90%-95% of moms would have been immune before adulthood. Also, our therapies would probably be much better today.
@Holy_Jelli@CommissionerJP@MaryBowdenMD It looks like I was wrong. Apparently Rubella (German Measles) is the one where infants can get the virus and there were a lot of deaths. Apparently only a few virus can get to the placenta (TORCH viruses) and mom doesn’t build antibodies quick enough to protect fetus.