@Muba_az No you’re not supposed do anything on our behalf. Social reciprocity means you consider the actual person, not feel entitled to them performing your version of socialising. Don’t keep pushing people when they already declined. Let them be or don’t invite them
@krullcalibur Given what we know of Ned he deliberately doesn’t tell the truth to people he loves when the truth may harm them or put them in danger. I don’t know how you managed to miss that. 🙄
@krullcalibur My point was that Ned has a reason why he doesn’t try to talk Jon out of it. He thinks KL is dangerous for Jon and Cat insists Jon can’t stay at Winterfell. The watch becomes a third place and a solution. Ned didn’t just forget to warn Jon.
@krullcalibur No evidence doesn’t mean he didn’t. There is no evidence Jon took a shit at any point in the story and it doesn’t mean that he never shat 🙄🤣😭
@sami_abdt Tywin is an experienced player while Robb is 15. Robb has good advisors and he is good strategist himself. He was winning. Tywin understood how to play the game and the people. You can be better and still lose, that’s the whole point
@bryndensraven Thank you! In a world where people murder children for all kinds of selfish and calculated reasons, the worst is suddenly to say cruel words to a kid in your worst possible moment. Cat doesn’t need to be perfect to be human.
@popsicledude10@caitvii8 She was. It wasn’t Ned standing there in this moment. Jon approached her at the worst possible time and got what he got. If cat was like Cersei, Jon would have been dead for years.
@lonelyholdme Oh fuck off, you’re not engaging with Catelyn, you’re judging a grieving mother. Was this moment awful for Jon? Yes. Was Catelyn’s feelings valid? Also yes. She didn’t seek him out, he came to her in her worst moment. You’re an idiot.
@Thomas_Vera_ Wtf? Lysa was with Jon Arryn in Kings Landing and so was their son, read the damn books. It’s not a tragedy when she kept fooling herself because reality didn’t match her delusions. She is a cautionary tale, not a tragedy.
@rhaennister Lmao read the books, you might learn something. Ask Robert what having a army of supporters means when it comes to becoming king. Or ask Stannis what it means to when you have the best claim but lack support lol
@oswellcrave@shoytebag If a character is loyal, what happens if several loyalties demand opposite actions? If it’s honor, what if keeping one promise mean you must break another? What if your duty to your Lord means you must abandon your duty to your family? That would be a discussion.
@oswellcrave@shoytebag Calling an overarching theme related to a moral conflict a “character flaw” or “intentional contradiction” is missing the whole point. Characters having conflicting values is not a flaw or contradiction.
@shoytebag Maybe you guys should read the books since it’s addressed extensively by the characters themselves and others around them. Otherwise it sounds like you have accidentally discovered the obvious main moral conflict between competing duties which is the whole point 😜
@KingTargaryenn Because Robert’s rebellion is a subplot in the fall of the dynasty saga. Robert is not even the main character, he is not the one driving the plot but responding to events and he wins the throne only to resent the job and his life. Robert’s arc ends in the main plot.