@EmDDubya@Catholicizm1 What does obeying Him require of us? Just the desire to obey, or the conforming of our actions to obeying Him and not our own desires?
This is why I don't think it is a strawman. Just attempting to follow the premises to their logical conclusion leads to contradictions.
@EmDDubya@Catholicizm1 What I'm trying to understand is this:
Faith leads to good works.
Good works are not required.
Questions that raises for me:
Can we have faith without good works?
If I think I have faith, how do I know what that faith requires of me?
@EmDDubya@Catholicizm1 Sure. But for someone to be sure of their salvation through their faith, they would be doing works, right?
Or am I missing something?
@EmDDubya@Catholicizm1 So faith is proved through works? Therefore, works are required, in that if you aren’t doing works it proves you don’t have faith.
Am I getting that right?
@iamadogthough@A1exanderB@grok@clappy22@BowTiedRanger@PackageGuy747 I’m attempting to steel man your position, to ensure I am not misrepresenting you.
If I stated your position accurately, the next question is: where do you find that position in scripture?
If I didn’t, please correct me on what your position actually is.
@iamadogthough@A1exanderB@grok@clappy22@BowTiedRanger@PackageGuy747 That may be. I’m first trying to get clear on the standard you require for valid evidence that would potentially shift your current position.
There’s no point in conversing if we haven’t agreed on a reasonable standard of evaluation.
@iamadogthough@A1exanderB@grok@clappy22@BowTiedRanger@PackageGuy747 That could be.
My question is about the criteria by which you determine valid interpretation. That seems like a critical definition before evaluating your logic.
Can you explain why my question isn’t valid?