People should read Flaubert's Sentimental Education, very interesting dramatic exploration of the motivations of 19th century Paris's educated, professionally ambitious youth in getting swept up in these street-theater revolutions--storming into gov't buildings, churches and museums to impress a woman, or from boredom, or even for career-networking. The only principled idealist is shot by his comrades for not adjusting to ideological currents as these change.
This is Franceโs most famous painting.
It shows a violent revolution with barricades, armed civilians, and dead bodies.
Acting shocked that France has street unrest is peak historical illiteracy.
@omni_american Overrated as metric. Property was damaged, insurance paid for it and raised their premiums, which we all pay for, but if you had stock in those insurance companies it's not so bad. The American economy is designed to absorb this kind of thing
I interpreted CHAZ as fundamentally fake. The state allowed people to die there because the victims were the kinds of people the state (in the general sense of "State" but also specifically Washington/Seattle govt, i.e. "blue governance") considers disposable. If a member of the professional managerial class had been murdered there the whole thing would have been shut down within minutes. At any rate...CHAZ didnt burn down a top-5 architectural landmark in Seattle, let alone Seattle City Hall.
@JacobAShell But wasn't CHAZ a thing much worse than anything that happened in France? three weeks outside of US jurisdiction is a major challenge to the system. That should at least make things even (US=temporal&spatial anarchy, FRA=destruction of a city hall)
@LudditeHacker I need to think about whether your thesis (difference is fire control quality) is correct tho. In France, arsons of historical buildings, esp old churches, have been going on for years, probably politically motivated.
Weak comparison, because in 2020 the arsonists didn't go after a top-5 architectural asset of any city, let alone a city hall. Below is Portland City Hall, very much not destroyed by the 2020 unrest
Recreation of an armored Comanche horse from 1700.
Raw hide scales with sand glue on provided protection against arrows and melee weapons.
It eventually fell out of favor when guns became widely available.
@TitherM ive never said anything about a place having "fallen." if you want to argue with someone who said that, go find one, there are plenty to pick from.
How do you explain European countries that also have these things despite not having France's revolutionary protest tradition? Seems to me what's shared in common is development, industry, GDP growth, things like that.
@moveincircles@TitherM The "insurance will cover it" theory the protesters had wasnt totally crazy. Of course the US can absorb buildings + small businesses being destroyed. Some people got wealthy off this, it was a type of property shuffle. So far whats happening in France looks like bigger deal
As far as I know, the '68 uprising in France did not burn down major architectural landmarks. Only thing I've ever heard about even somewhat like this is they smashed a lot of classical plaster architectural models in the รcole des Beaux-Arts (such as items in photo).