Jacob Mayberry

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Evangelical scholars like Richard Mouw have said much popular anti-Mormon material, including Ankerberg & Weldon’s “Behind the Mask of Mormonism,” often misrepresents LDS beliefs by relying on distorted quotes, outdated sources, and conspiracy framing instead of primary documents or current teachings.

Mouw publicly apologized in 2004 for evangelicals “bearing false witness” by telling Mormons what they believe without first asking, demonizing them, and offering oversimplified accounts.

Carl Mosser and Paul Owen argued in 1998 that such approaches were ineffective and that evangelicals were neglecting serious LDS scholarship, calling instead for accurate theological critique paired with gentleness and real dialogue.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint Because Blake is saying "Sounds Good" to Jacob's proposal. Not Ethan's. And Ethan is demanding it be his way or the highway even though his debate topic is still included in Jacob's proposal.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint Blake said "Sounds good to me" to Jacob's proposal. And the original debate topic isn't that broad. There's only a handful of verses in the BofM that allegedly are trinitarian or modalistic.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint You could say that. You could even include it within Jacob's debate prompt. Nothing would be stopping Ethan from doing so and nothing would be stopping Blake from attacking the framework by which Ethan is interpreting the BofM.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint I'm not dodging it. I'm explaining to you why that isn't possible without first questioning the framework you're coming at the BofM with.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint Because you guys are coming to the BofM with the same framework that you come at the Bible with. Are we supposed to pretend that isn't relevant to the discussion?

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint It can be true, but if you're interpreting the"one God" scripture in the BofM through a trinitarian lens then that needs to be addressed. And that will inevitably lead to attacks on Classical theism

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint We can, but it requires us to deconstruct your Classical interpretations first in order to do so. Once you strip away Classical theism as a hermeneutic for the BofM, it becomes very similar to LDS theology.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @emuse1955 @BowieTheus @ThoughtfulSaint Mmm but apparently Jimmy Akin wanting to debate Robert Boylan on the "Validity of Mormon Scripture" isn't too large. These two debate topics already have tons of overlap. If the BofM is just plagiarizing then it might as well be the same topic.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @ThoughtfulSaint Claiming the Trinity is taught in the BofM demands that you interpret those verses in the BofM the same way you interpret alleged trinitarian verses in the Bible. Therefore attacking the Trinity in the Bible is necessary to refute that it is taught in the BofM

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @KramersFaith @emuse1955 @BowieTheus @ThoughtfulSaint It's not too large. Jacob's point is that if the Book of Mormon is just plagiarizing the Bible (as Ethan claims) then addressing classical theism for both books should be just addressing the same thing. This new prompt gives both sides the ability to defend and attack.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@emuse1955 @KramersFaith @StNickRespecter @BowieTheus @ThoughtfulSaint That's total mind reading and you know it. The dude has debated William Lane Craig before. Why would he be afraid to debate the likes of you. Your whole point is refuted by the fact that he got roped into this by Jacob. He didn't start openly challenging anyone to debate. You did

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @KramersFaith @ThoughtfulSaint You're begging the question. Whether that is the weakness of Mormonism needs to be demonstrated. He's more than capable of demonstrating it with the new debate prompt because it still includes his original debate proposal in it.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @KramersFaith @ThoughtfulSaint No it's not like that. Jacob isn't proposing a completely different debate topic. He just expanded it to include more things.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@KramersFaith @emuse1955 @StNickRespecter @BowieTheus @ThoughtfulSaint Ostler is just being brought along for the ride. He couldn't care less if the debate happens.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@emuse1955 @StNickRespecter @BowieTheus @KramersFaith @ThoughtfulSaint Ostler isn't the one chomping at the hit to debate you.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @KramersFaith @ThoughtfulSaint Again, if you're the one claiming that our theology is easily refuted then put your money where your mouth is. Stop demanding your preferred debate topic. If you're not willing to do that then maybe you don't actually believe that our theology is easy to refute.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@StNickRespecter @BowieTheus @emuse1955 @KramersFaith @ThoughtfulSaint If Ethan actually believed that our theology was so easy to refute then he should be able to do so with both hands tied behind his back. If he demands having his preferred debate prompt then he needs to be a bit more humble.

[Jacob Mayberry @JacobMaybe31981]

@BowieTheus @emuse1955 @KramersFaith @ThoughtfulSaint If Mormonism is so easily refuted then Ethan should be able to refute it with both hands tied behind his back. No haggling over debate prompts needed.