The Word of God didn't obtain authority from Rome's collation.
It had authority when it preexisted the world, it had authority when it created the world; it had authority when it was breathed by the Spirit.
Nothing Rome has done has given the Word authority it didn't have.
@MrCasey62 You don't actually know that.
All you know is that Christ was conceived in Mary.
Adam was formed from dust.
Christ could have been made the same way.
And Mary, like all men, get their humanity from Christ.
@Burgess7281975@TemporalStrife Jesus was made lower than the angels.
Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Jesus—made lower than the angels for a short time so that by God’s grace he might taste death for everyone—crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death.
You make Mary greater than Christ was on earth.
@Burgess7281975@TemporalStrife Jesus was made lower than the angels.
Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Jesus—made lower than the angels for a short time so that by God’s grace he might taste death for everyone—crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death.
You make Mary greater than Christ was on earth.
He didn't mean "Roman Catholic".
The Greek word katholikos (καθολικὸς) is derived from the adverbial phrase kath' holou (καθόλου), which combines kata (κατά, meaning "according to" or "concerning") and holos (ὅλος, meaning "whole").
Ignatius himself was the Bishop of Antioch (in modern-day Turkey/Syria), writing to churches in Asia Minor. He most certainly didn't mean "that church based in Rome" when he said "Catholic church".
Are we to judge claims of unwritten teachings by Scripture, or judge Scripture by the claims of unwritten teachings?
Did the Holy Spirit, and Paul, tell Corinth (who had unwritten oral teachings from the Apostles), to not go beyond what is written?
You'll cite 2 Thess 2:15, but refuse to admit that you don't know what was taught orally to Thessalonika. You just want it as a catch-all permission for any tradition that takes your fancy.
You also miss the context - Thessalonika had face-to-face teaching from Paul (they personally knew him) and was led astray by people falsely claiming apostolic authority on behalf of Paul. Your unwritten teaching hearsay was the very thing Paul wanted them to reject. Which is why he strictly told them to look for his authenticating mark on his letters (3:17).
You'll also cite John 21:25, but Rome has no idea what those unwritten things are. Rome doesn't claim to have any record of those things Jesus said and did outside of Scripture.
The theology of a blank cheque.
Jesus said: "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."
You have no other words from the mouth of God that aren't recorded in Scripture. Jesus said "my words will judge him in the last day". Unless you have words outside of Scripture that you can show came from Jesus, the only words that we have are in Scripture alone. That itself makes Scripture the supreme authority over the church.
It was never written in Hebrew. Solomon wrote other things that are included in the canon, but they don't even know who wrote this in 1st or 2nd century BC.
It was written in fluent Greek (so not Solomon) yet claims to be Solomon. The writer was trained in Greek platonic philosophy. When it quotes Scripture such as Isaiah or The Pentateuch, it quotes from the Septuagint, not the Hebrew. Solomon could not have done that since it didn't exist for 700 years after Solomon.
It shouldn't be in the canon.
None of those hint at purgatory, let alone establish it.
For example:
The entire context that Paul give in 1 Cor 3 is the day of judgement "for the day will disclose it".
Moreover Paul says it is the works tested by fire. You say it is the person. Completely different.
If that's how your first preference goes, any reader can see there's a reason why you didn't actually provide the text.
@CatholicDrip___@daviste41 Adam was formed from the dust of the ground?
Then God said "let us make manning our image".
All men get their humanity from Christ.
Does God judge using Rome's Word or Christ's Word?
If he judges by Christ's words and not Rome's Words, and you have no words of Christ outside of Scripture, then Scripture alone is the infallible authority.
The concept is absolute, whether the Latin phrase is on the page or not.
You have it completely backward.
It’s Rome that claims to possess infallible oral tradition, yet Rome couldn't even faithfully keep the specific oral teaching Paul told them to remember in 2 Thess 2:5-6.
Rome has literally zero unwritten oral teachings and traditions that you can historically verify Christ or Paul actually spoke.
Instead, you claim a nebulous "Tradition" and use it as an empty bucket to shove modern dogmas into, all without ever proving those teachings actually originated with the Apostles.
Then you call us heretics because we call your bluff.
Feel free to cite the oral teachings Paul was referring to in 2 Thess 2:15 along with your evidence Paul taught them.