I'll say it. Debating a Christian and "destroying" him isn't dawah. Debating an atheist and making him stutter isn't dawah. Don't get me wrong, I am all for debates. But if the purpose of your "debate" is merely to thrash your interlocutor, don't call it dawah.
@NeophyteOne@sebastien_c123 I don’t have a “refutation” response to your response.
Though, just as you are postulating this, I could postulate that this motif was reworked in Jewish thought in the exact same way.
There is debate around this exact verse and its possibility as a Hebraic idiom btw.
@sebastien_c123 The fact that the Qur’an doesn’t directly interact with anything of Paul’s letters is telling. Pauline content is obviously the centrepiece of all Christian preaching, including guys like St. Ephrem, Jacob of Serugh.
Qur’an is more concerned with presenting its own theology.
@BernErrakaunt@Deenresponds There were so many competing early Christianities before John. Such competition touched oral tradition, resulting in all these varied texts.
A Christian does have to be careful - we have stories in Old Testament too which have historical origin in pagan Babylonian tradition btw.
@nonewthing First sentence is incorrect. There’s a massive difference between a triune Godhead and Unitarianism. Surah Ikhlas is a retort to the Nicene creed.
“Low IQ” is not an argument.
Last sentence is laughable. Don’t use the same logic you use to argue Nketiah is better than Alvarez.
The problem with Derek of MythVision podcast is he goes out of his way to be so uncharitable at almost every turn, and never provides opposing perspectives for laymen.
His mind (or his business model) is hellbent on contrarian slop, and often sensationalist at that.
@MrAdnanRashid@abdul_now Muslims ought to stop engaging with them directly.
Just refute their content in video forms, or even better, refute the content they use as arguments without mentioning their names. This is their full time job, cut off their ££ supply.
Debate decent, smart Christians.
@Deenresponds Injeel imo = ALL of
1. In eternal tablet
2. Gospel sent to Jesus
3. Truth across gospels + apocrypha
4. Some wisdoms by Church fathers/apostles which has roots in what Jesus said
5. Informal, casual designation
6. Possible Q-esque sayings gospel in Madina in one area by Jewish ✝️
@Rurouni_Phoenix IMO Qur’an affirms the absolute backbone of stories but the actors can reflect the circumstances being faced by Prophet ﷺ
Stories can also reflect how old stories would transpire if it occurred with this final Islamic covenant.
Would love to know any papers I can read on it.
Implications matter, though.
History of Bible = multiple anonymous authors.
Qur’an = claims to be word of God. Unchanging unique tone. Points to one author.
Presents itself *consistently* how an all-powerful being would speak, unlike how God is presented by authors in Bible.
The argument from the Qur’an’s tone isn't a sound argument for divine authorship. The Qur’an presents itself in an unusually strong divine voice and goes much further than any part of the Biblical canon in styling extensive portions of text as divine speech, but...
@LibanG987 It is an overall decent argument on the scale of possible arguments.
Answering it requires going around the topic in some respects to paint the correct picture and consider how Qur’an communicates, in order to answer it (and there is a definitive answer - but it’s indirect).
@Deenresponds Good point. But I think Qur’an & Paul mention about the end of times happening in the twinkling of an eye? Not sure there’s an earlier source than Paul for that motif, although that doesn’t mean the phrase originated with him, and God could’ve interacted with later Jewish works.