Ah, so you didn’t actually read the post, because I literally already addressed that 😂
Your accusations of bias are pure projection, and your lazy “I'm right, you're wrong” response is clear evidence you cannot prove your position from scripture. Like many prottys, you just prooftext and don’t actually read the bible in context nor understand it. You throw up an AI generated summary block to do your thinking for you but leave the prompt out. Gemini agrees with my position, so what now? You just listen to the father of lies.
You still have not answered my question.
It’s called context. Lev 15 groups a flow of seed with bodily discharges like illness and menstruation. It requires basic washing because it’s obviously dealing with involuntary emissions.
You already stated Onan lived before the Mosaic law, so using Leviticus to defend him makes zero sense.
Even within that discussion of involuntary discharges in chapter 15, the one explicitly voluntary act listed is in v18 (sex). What happens? The couple just washes and they are clean by evening. There is zero punishment for it. So your argument completely collapses on itself.
Masturbation doesn’t fall under normal sex or accidental discharge. So answer me directly: By what legal or textual evidence did God strike Onan dead if his only crime was failure of duty that the law later explicitly states is not a capital offense? God executed him because Gen 38:10 says He hated “what he DID”. Active.
You have zero scripture evidence he died for failure of duty. It’s just your presuppositions.
Homo literally means “same.” In masturbation, the giver and receiver of pleasure are of the exact same sex. You’re literally adding the requirement of two people to a word that just means identical.
Lev 15 is completely irrelevant here. It talks about involuntary emissions. There’s a massive difference between a natural bodily function and deliberately sabotaging a sex act to avoid pregnancy. One is an accident and the other is a calculated choice.
Plus, you literally just said Onan lived before the Mosaic law, so trying to use Leviticus to excuse his behavior makes no sense. To that point, yes he lived before that time, but the later Mosaic law actually gives us insight into how God viewed the omission of duty: In Deut 25, simply refusing the Levirate duty only got you a public shaming, not a death sentence.
You claim I'm biased, but you're the one fighting the literal text. Gen 38:10 explicitly says God killed him for “what he DID” an active Hebrew verb of commission, not omission. V9 defines exactly what he did, he spilled his seed. He was executed for the active manipulation of the physical act itself, which is why it carried a death sentence while a simple refusal of duty did not.
The giver and receiver of pleasure possess the exact same gender and anatomy.
You claim God killed Onan only for refusing his Levirate duty but the actual text completely wrecks your argument. Under Mosaic Law in Deut 25, failing to uphold the duty of a Levirate marriage wasn't a capital offense. It just got you publicly shamed.
Gen 38:10 literally says God killed him for “what he DID” (check out the Hebrew). It’s a verb of action, not omission. Verse 9 explicitly tells you what he did: he spilled his seed on the ground.
He was judged for the physical act itself, not a failed duty. The 'duty only' spin is just modern coping to justify gooning and birth control.
@ArkhamStealth@farmingandJesus 1. It’s a homosexual act and homosexuality is a sin.
2. Onan was killed for spilling his seed not because of his Levirate refusal. The Old Testament shows that was not a capital offense.
3. Your interpretation is contrary to Christian and even Jewish Tradition.
Protestants built an entire soteriology on what they thought St. Paul meant by "works of the law,” completely misreading Gal 2:16. History never favors them.
Until the Dead Sea Scrolls, the phrase didn't exist anywhere else. 4QMMT completely refutes their definition, proving the phrase meant technical ritual and purity laws, not general moral works.
The Catholic Church stays undefeated on being right.
@IanCarroll065@CathFamPodcast@Catholicizm1 Wrestling is in the Bible and Jacob wrestled the Angel of God that many believe to be the pre-incarnate Christ. Very Christian sport.