Jean Seigne

Histoire, géographie, psychologie cognitive et sciences de l'apprentissage
Pour une éducation basée sur les preuves

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@rastokke @daisychristo That’s such a good list. Unfortunately those three are pretty hard to find in french… I read them in English but would love to be able to share them with colleagues

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@MathdeProf @daisychristo Et ça finit toujours pareil : on réduit les exigences pour ceux qui en ont le plus besoin

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@MathdeProf @daisychristo C'est vrai ! Mais c'est justement ce qui m'a fait penser à Christodoulou : derrière « apprendre différemment », il y a l'idée que les élèves à BEP auraient besoin d'un enseignement moins factuel, plus actif. On en revient toujours aux mêmes idéologies : Rousseau, Piaget, Freire..

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@MrZachG Well actually it's not even that rare when learning a second language ! Think of all those french/spanish/german teachers who were instructed not to help their students by explaining things in English...

[Zach Groshell @MrZachG]

Pure discovery learning is rare because teachers generally help students when they struggle.

The real battle is Direct Instruction versus methods that only cause a small percentage of students to make the correct inferences.

This is where even “teacher-led” methods can fail.

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@SoLInTheWild No in fact I agree with you, but the debate is just so far from science that it feels like a lost cause sometimes

[David Didau @DavidDidau]

Oracy floats on a sea of knowledge
The UK government wants oracy assessed “from primary to GCSE and beyond”. My take on why you can only speak well about what you know:
https://t.co/MSmDtZrxX0

[Carl Hendrick @C_Hendrick]

The one thing I’d want everyone to know about Direct Instruction is that the methods, materials and routines are far less important than the underlying drive behind it: the unswerving belief that EVERY child can achieve, regardless of circumstance.

DI is based on a deeply held conviction that if a child didn’t learn, it was because the teacher (or curriculum) didn’t teach them properly. In that sense, it is a movement rooted in social justice but one which takes responsibility for outcomes.

In the 60s and 70s, there was a view in the education academic establishment that formal academic work was premature for 4-year-olds, and doubly so for poor ones; so what they needed was enrichment and play.

Worse still, in the early 70s, some academics described DI as a racist enterprise*. Engelmann's own memoir notes that he and Bereiter were called “Nazis” and “kid-haters.”

Despite this, Engelmann taught disadvantaged 4 year olds to factor and to solve simultaneous equations, and filmed it. Bereiter and Engelmann’s argument, set out in ‘Teaching Disadvantaged Children in the Preschool’, was that the disadvantaged child was not “behind” in some general developmental sense but behind in specific, teachable things, that all kids could learn with the right scope and sequence.

The preschool they opened in the mid 60s ran for two hours a day, with three twenty-minute lessons in language, arithmetic and reading, taught to small groups by a teacher following a specific DI sequence. Those kids made huge gains which faded when they went to normal public schools.

DI has its limitations like everything but the drive behind it is sincere. As #SoldAStory season 2 will show, it has been portrayed as something very different to what it actually is and the animating principles behind it.

*Baratz and Baratz, ‘Early childhood intervention: the social science base of institutional racism.’

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@natwexler fait une remarque essentielle. Après la saison 1 sur l'enseignement de la lecture et la saison 2 sur l'instruction directe, il manque un élément crucial à l'excellente série de podcasts de @ehanford : l'importance du savoir. Et si la saison 3 parlait de E. D. Hirsch ?

[Knowledge Matters @KnowledgeMatrs]

How we teach AND what we teach.

@natwexler Wexler offers a thoughtful caution on Sold a Story Season 2: Engelmann’s focus on instruction and Hirsch’s focus on knowledge are both essential.

We can’t leave knowledge out of the conversation.

https://t.co/RzXGM95XrV

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

Le podcast le plus important de l’année, de loin, pour comprendre les résultats de PISA. Si vous avez loupé la saison 1, elle @ehanford étudiait l’usage de la méthode globale en lecture aux Etats-Unis. Cette fois, elle s’attaque à l’enseignement en général…

[Emily Hanford @ehanford]

Episode 1 of Sold a Story, Season 2: https://t.co/KeTDmq01e4
It's Not Just Reading

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@heljero @Montaignefriend Non hélas puisque ses profs l’année suivante doivent s’occuper de lui. Et comme il n’arrive pas à suivre, il se comporte mal et déconcentre les 30 autres

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@Telepeache Et j’ai plein d’idées d’absurdités pédagogiques auxquelles renoncer. Mais cela risque de provoquer une crise cardiaque si un inspecteur tombe sur notre conversation

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@Telepeache On le fait déjà un peu. Je suis d’accord avec vous dans le fond mais l’exigence sans remédiation c’est juste de la maltraitance. On peut en revanche considérer que la syntaxe est une part importante de notre métier et y consacrer du temps cela dit, mais en renonçant à autre chose

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@F_Levrat @JZefka Je pensais effectivement à Rousseau mais plutôt pour les bêtises sur l'éducation qu'il assène dans Emile et qui ont encore une influence funeste

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@GabLattanzio C'est hallucinant. Les élèves n'ont pas peur des conséquences de leurs actes puisqu'ils ne peuvent même pas être exclus...

[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

Les ravages causés par cette pyramide sont affligeants. À placer au même niveau que Vygotsky (que personne n’a lu) et Howard Gardner (lui-même reconnaît s’être trompé)…

[Carl Hendrick @C_Hendrick]

NEW POST: The Untold Story of Bloom's Taxonomy and the Pyramid That Never Was.
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[Jean Seigne @JeanSeigneHG]

@F_Levrat @JZefka Non car ces idées sont séduisantes hélas.