Jeff Ray

He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God? -Micah 6:8

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Sometimes the person you'd take a bullet for is the one behind the gun.

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@Umbral_KnightX @fasc1nate Yeah, I caught that, too. But the occasional bit of dialog did add to the coyote’s personality.

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@JohnCleese 30% is higher than some TV shows. But never fear, he gets cancelled in 2 years. Sooner, if the midterms go badly.

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@JDunlap1974 Unfortunately, if you start punishing people who recant an accusation, you create a pretty strong incentive to not ever recant.

Instead, ask why he was convicted in just her testimony. Where was the physical evidence? Eye-witness testimony is the least reliable evidence.

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@MarioNawfal I thought domestic violence was illegal for both genders now.

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@docileanarchist @DanBurmawy On that we agree.

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@docileanarchist @DanBurmawy Suppose God was OK with both monogamy and polygamy. Should He make Adam one wife or several? Whatever He chooses, people were going to argue about what it meant.

In my view, it just meant God started with the minimum number necessary, and nothing else was implied.

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@docileanarchist @DanBurmawy As general advice that seems wise. And yet, where scripture explicitly address a law to only some people, it probably had a reason.

eg, Deut 17:16 applies certain restrictions only to kings. And I n the NT, only deacons (not all Christians) must be married and have children.

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@docileanarchist @DanBurmawy Agreed, I don’t think Paul is advocating prostitution. The context says quite the opposite.

I referenced this verse only because I think Paul (a 1st century Jew trained as a Pharisee) has can help us understand what “1 flesh” means.

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@docileanarchist @DanBurmawy A man can be 1 flesh (which means sexual activity, not monogamy) with more than one woman. In 1 Cor 6:16, Paul makes it clear that any sexual activity, even outside marriage, creates a 1 flesh relationship.

Paul didn't say men should be husband of 1 wife. He said leaders.

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@docileanarchist @DanBurmawy Jesus said we should love our neighbor. Not neighbors. Therefore, we are only permitted to have one neighbor. That’s the same logic.

Jesus said NOTHING about polygamy. In Matt 19, He is answering a question about divorce. You can’t just change scripture like that.

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@AnalogRules61 @IUY_Surtr @KarolineGosling 1) Jesus never said that.
2) The Church got monogamy from the pagan Romans.
3) The OT was fine with polygamy; ask a Rabbi.
4) Gideon, Joash, and Elkanah make polygamy look good. Meanwhile, Jezabel & Ahab, Isaac & Rebekah, Adam & Eve all make monogamy look bad.

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@newstart_2024 Bans on who you can marry, whether it was interclass, interfaith, or interracial, were always because it was “best for society”.

Do we want consenting adults to have the freedom to choose for themselves who to marry?

It’s time to let polygamist have that same freedom.

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@ScottMa82887297 @Flyntstoned710 @PenetantZynner @PattyMurray Agreed. When interclass, interfaith, or interracial marriages were legalized, many claimed society would suffer, but society is still trudging along.

Given the high divorce rate among monogamous modern marriages, I don’t think polygamy will be a big problem.

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@Janeos22 @richvillodas Nowhere in scripture is polygamy condemned. When It’s mentioned at all, it’s either descriptive or a regulation.

It’s very probable some of the earliest converts were polygamists, and there is historical evidence of Christian polygamy from the 2nd century.

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@ScottMa82887297 @PenetantZynner @PattyMurray I don’t understand how polygamy is still illegal.

It’s legal to live with multiple women, and have children by them all, so long as you don’t actually use the word “wives” or say you are married.

How is that not a clear violation of the 1st Amendment?

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@LPNational Nobody gains more daylight with permanent DST.

If you try, businesses that depend on the sun (agriculture, construction, etc) will simply change their start times back to match the sun. Then other businesses will gradually follow.

If you want more daylight, talk to your boss.

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@theactuallew @JaguarsRCool @5solas It's in 1 Ki 11:1-13. It is clear that Solomon was condemned for marrying foreign wives who turned his heart from God, not for marrying too many wives.

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@theactuallew @JaguarsRCool @5solas I didn't quote because I assumed you could find it yourself.

But to be clear: I don't have to prove polygamy is allowed. Rather, opponents of polygamy have to prove it is forbidden.

Romans 4:15 "For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression."

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@theactuallew @JaguarsRCool @5solas David was condemned by Nathan for adultery and murder, never polygamy. In fact, Nathan said God gave David his wives, and if they hadn't been enough, He would have given him more.

Solomon had too many wives. Rabbis hold that 18 (the number David had) was the maximum allowed.

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@theactuallew @JaguarsRCool @5solas You have it exactly backwards.

Paul was trying to explain the mystery of Christ's relationship to the Church, and he used marriage, something believers would already be familiar with. People of that age (aside from the pagan Romans and Greeks) accepted polygamy as normal.