@JiujitsuOtter I think the belts hold more stratification in gi. In no gi its much harder to deal with the younger, athletic, or ex wrestlers. Throw a gi on most of them and its usually easy mode.
I teach all classes at my Gym using the CLA, it realy bugs me when people say it probably isn't good for beginners. Over the past year or so, I have found that I am able to get a beginner playing the full game much quicker than when i just taught moves. They are playing guard, pinning, passing, and engaging in the standing position. Before, when I just showed technique, the 3-6 month white belt seemed much more lost in the chaos of a roll.
Not so much, but I’m sure it happens, usually when this sort of things happens. You find the big aggressive guy gasses in a few minutes from lake of efficiency, and the smaller guy ends up coming out on top. But, yea, like the examples I used above could beat up my blue belts. But my business partner is 145lbs with 16 years of grappling, and he dominates our Air Force guy easily.
To answer, it depends, all factors play into the result. How trained? Trained in what? How big? how athletic? How explosive? What disposition?
These and many other things come to play.
I do know most people that have never trained before massively over-estimate their abilities and are actually shook when they get held down like a child by some 145lbs nerd who is obsessed with wrestling, mma, or Jiu Jitsu.
I mean it was all male, but that’s basically what the first few UFC’s was, the rules weren’t very restrictive. So this experiment has pretty much been ran. All sizes, all different fighting styles. Grappling dominated.
Also this idea that if it was life or death, it changes. I mean if weapons get involved, everything changes, but in pure hand to hand combat, the idea that the guy dominating in let’s say an mma context wouldn’t also dominate in life or death is kinda silly. It’s not like he cant gouge out eyes too, he’ll just do it from a much more dominant position.
I disagree, I see this experiment on a regular basis. I see guys that have no Idea how to regulate their aggression/strength try to app out and end up giving and posish and tapped by, women, teenagers, and small/weaker/unathletic guys who have a decent amount of training. Im not saying this happens 100%, but it does VERY often. Obviously an absolute beast is gonna be hard to handle.
For example, Im 6 ft 225lbs, with maybe average or slightly above athletisicm, like decent in high school sports. About 5 years ago, I had a 2 time team captain division 1 defensive lineman start training under me. He is 6'2 285lbs, can do the splits. I could do whatever I wanted to him, hold him down against his will, tap him however. Now, he beats my ass on the regular.
I have a new student start a few months ago, played DLine at Air Force, 6'4 270lbs. I can do whataver I want to him, he literally has no chance.
My point being, size and strength matter, 100%, but a level of skill can overcome those attributes.
My man, Have you ever been in a fully locked RNC from someone who actually knows how to do it? Im a 225lbs jiu jitsu black belt, earlier tonight a -100lbs 11 year old girl, tapped me with 2 chokes.
Let be very clear:
Yes, I let her work until she locked in the chokes.
No, I didn't ape out when she did lock them (like this video, except she actually knows how to properly choke).
I did try to fight out of them a tiny bit, but once she locked them I had like 5 secs before I forced to tap or I go unconcious.
So, what we are saying here, is a fully grown women, who trains multiple times a week WITH dudes, has ZERO chance to choke a guy out if given the same oppurtunity.
@MuskieDave54@Azariel91 Yea man, there are so many women in this thread that are local to my small business, that has never sold sold womens self defense classes. Excellent observation.
Yea, fair enough, I saw this clip when it first came out and it just rubbed me the wrong way, Im not an incel thats saying there are no differences. But the way the guys are in the video are like no matter what we would just throw you off easily, is wrong, she is such a poor example of what an actual trained female is capable of.
Most of these guys liking and sharing think just becasue they are male they can fight, when in reality, they walk into their local jiu jitsu or mma gym and they get absolutely dumpstered. Ive seen it 1000 times over the last decade or so. They are just as delusional as the girl in this video. They have no idea.
No, in the video, the women claims she is trained, which she isn't. She definitely doesn't know jiu jitsu. The guy is no training, just a normal dude.
1) In a properly applied rnc, the hands are hidden and its actually pretty hard to pry the hands off.
2) This is possble, but if hooks going in it is not that easy, and also, if the choke is in, he has 5-6 seconds to make that happen
@anandafeier @WashiingtonR@nathan_wit22449@Azariel91 You aren’t entirely wrong, but what you are missing is jiu jitsu also teaches you how to get someone off of you and up off the ground, and how to deal with someone grabbing you, which happens very often in street fights.
All good my man, no worries. Only real shit here. I probably would never do a women’s self defense class. If I did, I would be very clear about the realities, and that fighting is a skill that has to be built just like anything else. Our women are throwing down along with the rest of us.