@MartinTweats@SingForJoy44 My son loves sloppy joes. Sometimes if we run out of hamburger buns but have hot dog buns we’ll use those instead; we call em sloppy dogs.
That’s a thoughtful response. I think most theists assume atheists are in the strong atheism category. I would assume this assumption increased after the new atheism movement.
I’m not sure if I agree with the first portion although I do think it based on certainty. To me it is a spectrum based on knowledge (or falsehood) and certainty. As one increases or decreases in these they move along the spectrum. To make it a binary would imply there is line on this spectrum that one instantaneously crosses to go from belief to disbelief or vice versa. I also think the human mind (or soul as I prefer) is able to hold contradictory ideas, which can be a cause of various neurosis. For instance when one’s will doesn’t align with reason or knowledge and memory in the intellect doesn’t align with reason or will this can cause mental anguish/ailments.
Anyways, thank you for the good discussion, I really appreciate it. I hope you are still searching for truth.
Thanks for the thoughtful and polite responses. I think part of the issues with communicating on this topic is language barriers. Militant attitudes can cause barriers (which unfortunately I’ve been guilty of myself when I’m in a foul mood).
As a follow up question, why don’t you believe there is a God? Not asking for proof, just why you don’t, and truthfully I’m hoping for a detailed answer if you provide one.
I appreciate the response. I’ve read a similar definition on google before however it differentiated between different types of atheists. I think language can be a great tool for discovering truth however it can also be an impediment, especially when different parties are operating with different definitions or when the meaning of terms are obfuscated.
To follow up on your posts, in the realm of belief, would you say belief in God is binary, as in one is either a theist or an atheist? Or is there also a middle term for someone who withholds judgment/belief?
A crude example to clarify my question: , if someone were to recommend a movie X to me, and someone else were to ask “Does there exist a movie that you would find entertaining called X?” I may answer “Yes, a movie that I would find entertaining called X exists because the person who recommended it knows me and is trustworthy” or “No, although there is a movie X, it is not a movie that I would find entertaining because I have never received a good movie recommendation from this person.” Or I may simply answer “I don’t know if there is such a movie that I would find entertaining called X because I’ve never seen it”. Would this last statement be a legitimate statement of belief regarding, and if so what would it be called in relation to belief in God?
@ChrisTerry97@MartinTweats What’s the difference between atheism and agnosticism? Are you saying that Atheists entertain the possibility of God but are just not convinced by the evidence and arguments put forth?
I didn't realize this was an argument. You provided no premises/evidence for any of your assertions?
What are we arguing by the way?
Here's an argument:
Premise 1: You respond to a post with a bare assertion thinking its an argument. (bald assertion fallacy)
Premise 2: You further respond with ad hominem assertions attacks. (Ad hominem fallacy and bald assertion fallacy)
Premise 3: Then you accuse your 'opponent' of a fallacy when they weren't even arguing with you.
Premise 4: A person who accuses another of logical fallacy after committing multiple fallacies of their own is a clown.
Conclusion: You are a clown.
So which premise fails? 😆
It’s an honest post and reflects my general observation; I’ll add a caveat and say my comment doesn’t apply to all atheists; there are a few who are polite and act with a sincere heart.
Perhaps I was lacking humility and charity when I posted, although my use of the word humility was meant in the context of engaging and providing arguments.
Thank you for this response and I really appreciate your thoughtful answer. I don’t agree that an a priori argument can’t bridge the gap to actual existence however I would agree that an a priori argument can’t bridge the gap to actual empirical evidence of existence. I agree with most everything else you say except for ‘Martin’s premise falls apart’, and this is mostly because I take his original post as a statement and not an argument. Once again though I do appreciate the response, especially that atheists inherently are asking for a posteriori data. This will be helpful in engaging in future discussions.