Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself)

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[Jeremy Boreing @JeremyDBoreing]

No. The story was not overlooked or buried.

Israel immediately informed us the attack happened. There were numerous investigations. The Captain of the USS Liberty was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor. Israel apologized and paid reparations.

The truth is, it's just not a big story. It's a tragic story, and no doubt. But it isn't a big story.

34 Americans died on the USS Liberty in 1967.

11,363 Americans died in the jungles of Vietnam in 1967.

Friendly Fire is horrific, but not uncommon. There is very little reason for a sixty-year old friendly fire incident to be widely known about, much less widely discussed.

For example, that same year, 1967, a US Marine Corp jet attacked a US Army position on Hill 875 in Vietnam, killing 42 American soldiers.

59 years later, not many remember Hill 875, not because it wasn't horrific -- it killed more Americans than the attack on the USS Liberty -- but because it isn't useful as a talking point to implicate the US/Israel relationship.

As to the second part of your question, we aren't discussing the USS Liberty today because of new information. We are discussing the USS Liberty today because of old -- even ancient -- grudges.

[David Reaboi, Late Republic Nonsense @davereaboi]

Massie's "Justice Delayed" speech on the House floor today asserts that Israel deliberately attacked the USS Liberty with the intention to murder its crew, and that the US government covered it up.

However, the comprehensive documentary record—spanning more than a dozen official US and Israeli investigations, including reviews by the CIA, NSA, and Joint Chiefs of Staff—completely refutes these claims, proving the incident was a tragic case of mistaken identity and friendly fire. You don't have to take their conclusions granted; you just need to look at the evidence.

Massie and his gang have no intention of doing that-- none of these people have looked at the evidence; there are no "Liberty Truthers" who ever engage with the specific evidence, because then they look too obviously grotesque and ideologically-motivated.

If the facts of the case don't matter, why are these people obsessed with a friendly-fire incident that happened in 1967? Because they want to convince you--despite all evidence and lack of motive--to hate Israel and Jews. There is absolutely nothing else going on here, and the proof for that is how enthusiastically they lie about what actually happened that day.

They need to say Israel attacked deliberately, because that's how they fool Americans into distrusting and hating Israel. And they need to say the US covered it up, because that's how they explain the lack of evidence for their claims.

I promised a debunking, so here it is.

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Massie: Israel deliberately attacked the ship with the intent to leave no survivors. There is absolutely zero evidence it was a premeditated strike. The Israeli military correctly identified the ship at dawn, but a duty officer erased the ship's marker from the naval plot hours later because the information was considered stale. Later, misread explosions on the coast led to a severely flawed speed calculation by Israeli torpedo boats (estimating 30 knots instead of 5), which classified the ship as a hostile warship that was then misidentified as an Egyptian supply vessel.

If Israel had intended to sink the ship, they would have used iron bombs—but the Israeli air controller deliberately diverted the flight carrying iron bombs away from the ship.

When an Israeli pilot recognized Latin letters on the hull (Arab warships used Arabic script), the attack was immediately halted with the order, "Leave her!" Israel then dispatched rescue helicopters, ceased fire immediately, and apologized within hours, before Washington had even publicly acknowledged the incident.

Massie: The attack was a 25-minute unprovoked assault using napalm, and lifeboats were machine-gunned. In reality, the air attack lasted approximately 14 minutes, and every official investigation confirms there were only two Mirages and two Super-Mystères involved. (Even survivor advocates who previously claimed there were up to 30 sorties have conceded on the record that there were only two initial jets).

The jets dropped napalm because they had been diverted mid-mission from bombing Egyptian infantry, not because of a surgical plan to sink a steel ship.

Furthermore, the torpedo boat did not machine-gun lifeboats to execute survivors; it actually recovered a damaged life raft put overboard by the crew that was marked "US Navy." This recovery is exactly how the Israelis realized the ship was American.

Massie: It was a clear day with unlimited visibility and the American flag was flying proudly. While Massie argues the flag should have made the ship's identity obvious, gun-camera film from the attacking pilots and shipboard photos confirm that the smoke from the burning ship was rising straight up--meaning there was essentially no wind. Because of the calm conditions, the flag hung limp and drooping against the mast rather than extended. The Navy Court of Inquiry specifically concluded that the calm weather and slow speed "may well have made the American flag difficult to identify."

Massie: US rescue planes were recalled and the crew was left stranded for 17 hours. Massie implies that the recall of rescue planes points to a sinister cover-up-- but the US response was paralyzed by the fear of nuclear escalation. LBJ initially feared the attackers were Soviet, stating, "if this attack is by the Russians, this means war." The Sixth Fleet recalled its defending aircraft out of fear of sparking World War III, and this recall occurred long after the attack was already over.

The USS Liberty was only in the war zone to begin with because of severe US communication failures. Five separate messages ordering the ship to withdraw 100 miles were misrouted and never reached the ship before the attack.

Massie: Ward Boston declared the inquiry invalid, proving a cover-up. He asked Congress to enter a declaration by Ward Boston into the record, claiming the official court of inquiry was invalid. Boston's much later affidavit recanting his original findings is hearsay (the admiral he quoted was deceased) and self-incriminating, as Boston himself co-authored the original findings under oath.

Admiral Isaac Kidd, who actually led the Naval Court of Inquiry, said in 1991 that his investigation found zero evidence of a deliberate attack. When asked if they found a "smoking gun," he said, "we didn't even find a water pistol."

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@neveragainlive1 Must be an election year in Toronto.

[dahlia kurtz ✡︎ דליה קורץ @DahliaKurtz]

Do you think Mark Carney named Omar Alghabra to his Jew-Hate Combat Clouncil because of this letter from Omar condemning the family-friendly Walk with Israel?

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Because Omar lobbied the government to remove Hamas and Hezbollah from its list of designated terror groups?

[Jeremy Boreing @JeremyDBoreing]

Fifty-nine years ago today, an American Naval vessel, the USS Liberty, was attacked by air and sea by the State of Israel.

Of the 234 men on the ship, 34 Americans were killed. 171 were wounded.

Today, Thomas Massie will take to the House floor to memorialize the worst interpretation of the event, an interpretation that suggests Israel attacked the American ship on purpose and that our own government either coordinated with them to do, or is complicit in the cover up.

The USS Liberty has become a rallying cry for many of the worst voices in public life. From the Groyper Wars against Charlie Kirk, to Tucker Carlson’s blackpill-and-despair political project, to Candace Owens’ global jihad of grift and Jew hared, the Conspiracy Theories surrounding the USS Liberty have become one of the most respectable ways to advance anti-Israel and anti-American sentiment.

But what really happened on that terrible day in 1967?

How can we know what’s true?

And what does it mean for us six decades later?

Conspiracy Theorists love to overwhelm you with the sheer volume of their claims, but there are 8 claims which makeup the core of the argument.

We thoroughly address those eight in this episode, and shine a light on the phenomena that undergird these Conspiracy Theories in the first place.

Here's an honest accounting of what happened on June 8, 1967, and how — and why — bad actors are lying to you about it:

[Liza Rosen @LizaRosen0000]

Top British attorney Natasha Hausdorff dismantled the Palestinian narrative with cold historical facts.

There was never a sovereign Arab state called “Palestine.” The British Mandate of Palestine was simply British administration over the historic Land of Israel after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

Jews lived continuously in the land for centuries — including under Ottoman rule, when they formed the majority in Jerusalem. Before 1909, Tel Aviv was empty desert legally purchased by Jews, who built it from nothing. No Arabs were displaced.

After the British handed the mandate to the UN, the Arab world rejected the partition plan and launched a war to destroy the Jewish state. Arab armies and local militias tried to “push the Jews into the sea.” At the same time, Arab countries ethnically cleansed their ancient Jewish communities, forcing nearly a million Jews to flee to Israel.

During the war, Arab leaders ordered local Arabs to evacuate combat zones so their armies could annihilate the Jews. Many of those who left later became permanent “refugees” under Egyptian and Jordanian control.

Israel has never committed genocide — and never will. By defending itself, it prevents another holocaust.

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Islamic regime of Iran are the real obstacles to peace in the Middle East.

Retweet if you support Israel’s right to exist and defend itself.

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@l3v1at4an @TorontoPolice Election year

[Insurrection Barbie @DefiyantlyFree]

WHAT WE GIVE ISRAEL

The standard US military aid package is $3.8 billion per year $3.3 billion in Foreign Military Financing plus $500 million for joint missile defense programs. Israel must spend most of this on US-made products and services, and by 2028 essentially all of it must be spent in America.

WHAT ISRAEL GIVES BACK

1. F-35 R&D Savings: 55 billion
Israel resolved multiple technical issues during the F-35’s early development, reducing US R&D costs by an estimated $55 billion and accelerating deployment timelines.  The total F-35 program cost was $55 billion in R&D Israel’s combat testing effectively saved the US from having to discover and fix those problems on their own dime.

2. Intelligence Value: equivalent to 5 CIAs (75 billion/year)

General George Keegan, former Chief of US Air Force Intelligence, stated that Israel’s intel value equals “5 CIAs” providing a 400% return on investment on the $3.8 billion aid package. One CIA budget runs approximately $15 billion.  Five times that equals roughly $75 billion worth of intelligence annually for $3.8 billion in aid.

3. Strategic Base Value: $15–20 billion/year

As stated by Admiral Elmo Zumwalt and General Alexander Haig, Israel is the largest US aircraft carrier that does not require US military personnel on board, cannot be sunk, and is deployed in a critical region sparing the US the need to manufacture, deploy, and maintain real aircraft carriers with ground divisions, which would cost the US $15–20 billion annually. 

4. F-35 Export Multiplier: $40 billion in sales, $173 billion backlog
Israel’s battle-tested performance and upgrades to the F-35 contribute to $40 billion in US exports and a $173 billion backlog for US industry.  Israel essentially serves as the world’s most credible advertisement for American weapons.

5. Jobs and Economic Output: 255,000 jobs, $72 billion annually
The F-35 economic engine alone supports 290,000 US employees and $72 billion in annual economic output.  Israeli stakeholders hold contracts with over 1,000 American companies across 48 states, DC, and Puerto Rico.

Why do people need to lie about this?

Because they have nefarious reasons.

There’s no other reason to lie about this stuff.

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@NorthernDe46223 Awe, that’s so cute, you’re still triggered. Chin up, lass.

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@TikkyB More like 2 in and one in too… just like your mother likes it

[Making Sense Podcast @MakingSenseHQ]

There Was No Famine in Gaza

[Grok @grok]

Between 1948-1967, Jordan occupied and annexed Judea & Samaria (West Bank) in 1950, integrating it into the Hashemite Kingdom and granting citizenship to many Palestinians. It did not create a separate Palestinian state.

Egypt administered Gaza without establishing one.

The PLO, founded 1964 by the Arab League, adopted a charter rejecting the 1947 partition and calling for liberation of all Mandatory Palestine via armed struggle against Israel—not state-building in Arab-controlled territories. Pan-Arab priorities and Jordanian suppression of separatism prevailed.

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@NorthernDe46223 I’m sorry I triggered you. Enjoy the L, dear.

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@TruthBrad29269 @nationalpost Just curious, if you don’t mind answering. Who are you voting for? Or at least who are you supporting for this next mayoral race?

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@TruthBrad29269 @nationalpost Thank you

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@TruthBrad29269 @nationalpost I was curious if he was pro bike lanes and also if he voted or advocated for a homeless encampment or drug area in his district. Do you have any information on his flip flops?

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@nationalpost Where did he stand on bike lanes and where did he stand on creating a homeless or drug encampment in his district @grok

[Jon Pernten (I/We/Us/Me/My/Myself) @JonPerne]

@NorthernDe46223 @WiretapMediaCa Strawman much? Look at the topic and what the question was directed towards. Any evidence?

[Yehuda Teitelbaum @chalavyishmael]

Zohran Mamdani just endorsed Darializa Avila Chevalier for Congress.

On October 8th, 2023, while Jews were still being slaughtered, raped, kidnapped, and hunted across southern Israel, she attended the "All Out For Palestine" rally in NYC.

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