An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo*

My people are the poor and working class, and my chief issues are class issues and opposition to war, imperialism, genocide, and predatory, top-down capitalism.

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

The United States, and to an extent its various de facto vassal states that make up the "West," has throughout my entire life constantly demanded of us two things:

1. We are to FEAR a perceived threat.
2. We are to HATE a perceived enemy.

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@JackShepardNow @CodyLibolt Capitalism is a horrid, failed system that cannot answer the challenges we as humans face. Like its cousins slavery and feudalism, it needs to go.

No more Master/slave exploitation,
No more Lord/serf exploitation,
No more Employer/employee exploitation

[𐌁𐌉Ᏽ 𐌕𐌉𐌌𐌉 @OrevaZSN]

No one earns a billion dollars. Billionaires exist because millions of workers are paid far less than the value they create. Nobody works a billion times harder than a nurse, a farmer, or a teacher. Stop glorifying wealth hoarders. They’re just professional wage thieves.

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@David_Kicinski @Darkest_Grins By your own logic, your nonbelief in unicorns just created a positive, active belief system that I now expect you to defend.

As you are a self-admitted aunicornist, I'd like to see your real arguments for your "lack of belief" in unicorns.

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@David_Kicinski *sigh*

It's ... it's not a belief. You know how you DON'T believe in the ~9,999 other religions that aren't yours, nor in the various gods, goddesses and etc. therein?

Did your LACK of belief in each of those create ~9,999 new "beliefs" you hold? Would that even make SENSE?

[𐌁𐌉Ᏽ 𐌕𐌉𐌌𐌉 @OrevaZSN]

Yes, I’m a radical leftist. I believe all humans should have access to food, housing, healthcare, and education without fear of ever losing them. I call that being a moral person.

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@OrevaZSN According to this guy, who is TOTALLY reasonable and NOT AT ALL UNHINGED, that makes you ...

*checks notes*

... "filth" and an "enemy of all mankind" whose only value is to serve as a source of organs and fertilizer.

Clearly, we're the evil ones.

https://t.co/YyJgIAVuoG

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@CodyLibolt You're just doing this meme using "socialism" in place of "communism."

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand So anyway, now we're just down to a fight over which coercions you're willing to define as "legitimate."

Same blind spot you've had the whole way down: you see coercion clearly when it threatens a title and not at all when title IS the coercion.

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand The moment you own land, every other human is under an enforceable obligation, on pain of violence, to stay off.

That's not the absence of coercion at all; it's just coercion YOU happen to endorse. And you seriously believe you're a real libertarian. 🙄

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand Under common ownership people still WORK, obviously. Did you really think otherwise?

They just don't have to sell themselves to a proprietor for the privilege. Labor being necessary doesn't mean wage slavery is suddenly freedom. These things are not the same.

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand I never said working for a living itself is coercion. Humans have to work; food doesn't grow itself.

What's coercive is the arrangement where a few own the means of producing anything, so everyone else has to rent themselves to those owners on the owners' terms or starve.

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand You seem to be the one struggling with human nature since you don't believe humans can live the way humans lived throughout most of history and prehistory.

I'm not talking about personal property. No serious communist wants to go around taking people's "stuff."

[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand This entire debate is exactly about this, and I've been spending it showing you (and anyone following) why your assertion is INCORRECT.

Now you're just restating your premise as if it were settled fact? LOL No. Hard disagree. Rights do not come from property rights.

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand Kant didn't think so. The natural-rights tradition that grounds rights in personhood didn't think so. The entire concept of human rights doesn't route through property deeds either.

I'm not required to co-sign propertarianism.

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand ... as I already pointed out here.

https://t.co/r8pxpHIrLy

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand No, you don't. Who told you that? I certainly didn't say it.

Most of human history involved complex, cooperative societies that worked without needing any coercive monopoly on violence. The Lenni Lenape and the Haudenosaunee are two examples that immediately come to mind.

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[An Observer *Trump's an Epstein pedo* @KB052276]

@Rohnek_Kdosi @RockChartrand No private accumulation of capital means no private armies creating coercive monopolies. Defense and the means of production are held in common, and decisions are distributed and not for sale.

That removes the fuel. This can work and actually has worked historically.

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