You being upset does not change the history. No one is saying terrorism against civilians is justified. It is not. What I am saying is that the United States and the UK do not get to pretend they had no role in creating the conditions that fueled the anger, radicalization, and retaliation that followed.
The 9/11 Commission itself acknowledged that American foreign policy matters, stating that U.S. policy regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and American actions in Iraq were dominant issues across the Arab and Muslim world. That does not excuse al-Qaeda, but it does prove this did not happen in a political vacuum. 9/11 Commission Report
The same is true for the UK. The Iraq Inquiry found that the UK joined the invasion of Iraq before peaceful options had been exhausted, and that military action was not a last resort. That war destabilized a region, destroyed lives, displaced families, and created conditions extremists used for recruitment. Chilcot/Iraq Inquiry summary
Brown University’s Costs of War project estimates that post-9/11 wars directly killed more than 940,000 people, including more than 432,000 civilians, with far more harmed indirectly through destroyed economies, healthcare systems, infrastructure, and displacement. Brown University Costs of War
So when you talk about anger, let’s talk about all of it. Let’s talk about the anger of Americans and British citizens who were attacked. But also talk about the anger of people who watched their countries bombed, occupied, destabilized, sanctioned, and economically destroyed by governments claiming to bring freedom.
Again, that does not justify attacks on civilians. But it does destroy the idea that the United States and the UK held some clean moral high ground. Our governments were not innocent bystanders in the destruction of the Middle East. They made choices, those choices had consequences, and pretending this is simply about Islam is dishonest.
The issue is not Muslims. The issue is war, foreign policy, occupation, revenge, radicalization, and governments refusing to accept responsibility for the damage they helped create.
So what you’re saying is that you want history from 1950 forward. I can do that.
In 1950, Jim Crow segregation was still law and practice across much of America. It took the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to outlaw segregation in public places and ban discriminatory practices in employment. National Archives
In 1950, Black Americans were still being blocked from voting through discriminatory systems like literacy tests and other barriers. It took the Voting Rights Act of 1965 to confront racial discrimination in voting. Department of Justice
In 1950, housing discrimination was still shaping where Black families could live and whether they could build wealth. It took the Fair Housing Act of 1968 to prohibit race discrimination in housing sales and rentals. Department of Justice
The federal government also allowed the Tuskegee syphilis study to continue until 1972, decades after 1950, withholding proper treatment from Black men. CDC
So yes, there is plenty of history after 1950. Reparations are not about blaming you personally for events before your birth. They are about whether a government and society that created, enforced, and benefited from these harms owes repair for damage that continued well into living memory.
And your own federal deficit example proves the point: national obligations do not disappear just because a later generation did not personally create them.
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That is not what happened.
“40 acres and a mule” was not completed reparations. It came from wartime land redistribution efforts, including Sherman’s Special Field Orders No. 15, which set aside land for formerly enslaved people. But that effort was later reversed. The National Archives explains that Johnson’s restoration policy returned much of that land to former owners, and most freedpeople received no federal land compensation at all. National Archives
So no, Lincoln did not already “pay reparations.” In fact, one of the clearest examples of actual payment tied to emancipation went the other direction: the D.C. Compensated Emancipation Act paid loyal enslavers up to $300 for each enslaved person freed. The formerly enslaved people were not paid for generations of stolen labor. National Archives
Sharecropping was not proof that reparations worked. It became one of the systems that trapped many freed Black families in debt and dependency after slavery. The National Archives notes that, without land or compensation, many formerly enslaved people were forced into sharecropping, tenant farming, convict leasing, or other labor arrangements that kept them economically tied to former slaveholders. National Archives
So the claim that reparations already happened is historically false. What happened was a promise made, then stripped away, while the people who had enslaved human beings were the ones more likely to receive compensation.
This argument is ignorant because it pretends reparations means every person who ever suffered anywhere is owed by everybody else. That is not the argument.
The reparations argument in America is about specific harms created, protected, and enforced by American institutions. The U.S. government gave settlers 160 acres of public land through the Homestead Act for a small fee, helping create generations of land-based wealth. National Archives
After slavery, formerly enslaved people were briefly connected to land through federal wartime and Freedmen’s Bureau policy, but that promise was largely reversed and land was restored to former Confederates. National Archives
Then came Black Codes, convict leasing, Jim Crow, redlining, and other policies that kept Black Americans from building wealth after emancipation. Equal Justice Initiative describes convict leasing as a system that continued forced labor after the Civil War, and Federal Reserve History explains how redlining helped deny Black communities equal access to housing credit. Equal Justice Initiative, Federal Reserve History
So no, “bad things happen today somewhere else” does not erase America’s debt. This country does not get to steal labor for generations, compensate enslavers, deny land, deny housing, deny equal protection, and then tell the descendants of the people harmed to “get over it.”
If the question is who received government help, the historical record is clear: the U.S. government gave massive public benefits to many Americans while Black Americans were excluded, restricted, or denied equal access.
The Homestead Act offered settlers 160 acres of public land for a small filing fee, helping millions build generational wealth through land ownership. National Archives
After emancipation, formerly enslaved people were briefly promised land through “40 acres” policies, but most of that land was later returned to former Confederates. Black people were not made whole for generations of stolen labor. National Archives
In housing, federal policy helped build white middle-class wealth while Black neighborhoods were marked as risky and denied investment through redlining. The Fair Housing Act was not passed until 1968. Federal Reserve History
The same pattern showed up after World War II. The GI Bill helped millions of veterans buy homes and attend school, but Black veterans often faced discrimination from local officials, banks, colleges, and housing systems that limited or blocked access to those benefits. History
So the issue is not whether the government has ever helped people. It clearly has. The issue is that for much of American history, public benefits were distributed through systems that heavily favored white Americans while Black Americans were excluded or pushed to the back of the line.
This argument is historically lazy. Nobody serious is claiming slavery only happened to Black people or that slavery began in America. The reparations argument is about the specific system this country built, protected, profited from, and then followed with Jim Crow, convict leasing, redlining, segregation, and government-backed exclusion from wealth.
American slavery was not just “people were slaves.” It became race-based, hereditary chattel slavery, meaning Black status was turned into property status and passed through generations. The National Park Service describes how permanent, hereditary servitude became tied to race in America. NPS
And when slavery ended in Washington, D.C., the government compensated enslavers up to $300 per freed person. The enslaved people were not compensated for generations of stolen labor. National Archives
Then after slavery, Black people were pushed through Black Codes, Jim Crow, convict leasing, and housing discrimination. The Equal Justice Initiative explains how convict leasing was used after emancipation to re-enslave Black people through the criminal legal system. Equal Justice Initiative
And the damage did not end there. Redlining and racially discriminatory housing policy helped block Black families from homeownership and wealth-building well into the 20th century. Federal Reserve History
So “white people were slaves too” is not an answer. It is a distraction. Reparations are not about every slavery system that ever existed. They are about the documented harms created and enforced by American institutions against Black Americans, and the wealth stolen from people who were never repaid.
This is historically false.
That “1% owned slaves” talking point is intentionally misleading because it uses the entire U.S. population as the denominator, including enslaved people, children, and people living in free states. In the slaveholding South, the impact was much larger. Records from the 1860 slave schedules show that nearly one-third of Southern families owned enslaved people. FamilySearch
And the claim that “the other 99% were against it” is nonsense. Slavery was protected by law, defended by state governments, enforced through federal policy, and preserved until it took a civil war and a constitutional amendment to end it.
Also, reparations are not about walking up to random white people and asking them for cash. The argument is about institutions. The U.S. government protected slavery, compensated some enslavers when emancipation happened in D.C., and then continued policies after slavery that excluded Black Americans from equal protection, land, housing, wealth, and opportunity. U.S. Senate, National Archives
The damage also did not end in 1865. Redlining and racially discriminatory housing policies helped block Black families from wealth-building long after slavery ended. Federal Reserve History
So no, this is not about blaming every white person alive today. It is about a debt created by systems, laws, institutions, and government actions that enriched one side while robbing another. Pretending none of that happened does not make the debt disappear.
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@RossyPrime That can’t be true the last 26 years everything bad that has happened has happened while a republican was in the white house learn your history