"Imagine if rap never existed. What would Black people's global image look like? Don’t say rap made Black culture dominate; Jazz, Blues & Hendrix came from them. Rap is already aggressive; adding drugs, weapons & prostitution... Only someone who wants to hurt their legitimacy would do this."
True, there's nothing wrong with using it, but I’ve noticed a trend here where people use box office numbers to attack films simply because they dislike the message or the people behind it.
Box office is never a final definitive metric. History is full of examples proving that opening numbers don't dictate a film's true quality or legacy. Being absolute about it is just misleading.
This is a truly unresolved dilemma, yet public submission remains the only path to visibility.
Although it's impossible to know if it was just a financial pursuit, two interesting details from the Sophia Stewart case illustrate this:
1- Warner Bros claimed they had zero records, but her original manuscript actually had federal copyright numbers stamped on the footnotes.
2- During the FBI probe, studio insiders admitted her work 'The Third Eye' was accessed internally before The Matrix was made.
An MIT alum, Bernard Cohen, claimed he pitched the exact verbal premise to a producer in a NY bakery in the 90s, only to be completely cut out when the studio handed the script to Affleck and Damon.Same pattern with Good Will Hunting
True, but with today’s data tech and audience metrics, it’s hard to believe brilliant writers/directors can’t foresee these social outcomes. Look at Coppola’s confessions about Apocalypse Now.
As someone who loves discussing cinema, it’s a huge disappointment. It almost feels like a deliberate psyop to trigger these subcultures—sounds funny, but it really looks that way. Hopefully I’m wrong! :)
Completely agree. For those of us who fell in love with cinema in actual theaters and still prefer holding a real book over a tablet, it’s truly sad.
Also, with rising subscription costs, it's becoming unsustainable. A friend and I were discussing that platforms might adopt a hybrid model—premiering on streaming first, then hit theaters next month. Just like how traditional publishers still thrive despite e-books, cinema will survive. Hopefully.
Completely agree! My point was about the cinematic impact, but you are totally right about the social outcome. I was actually debating this here a few weeks ago. Look at masterpieces like The Godfather; they portray people no sane person would ever want to meet in real life. While directors aren't moral teachers, these films accidentally glamorize figures who make ordinary lives miserable.
It got really dangerous a while ago when characters like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho—who makes Tyler Durden look innocent—were used as role models for the ideal man. I always found that wave highly alarming.
Fair point, but there are movies that absolutely bomb at the box office only to explode on streaming platforms later.
Look at Kraven; it flopped in theaters with just $62M but became a monster hit on Netflix with over 3B streaming minutes.
Same with Ben Affleck’s The Accountant; its massive streaming popularity literally forced a sequel into production. Let’s see what Tom Cruise's Digger does next
@Misedctdyth@DiscussingFilm Dismissing the cultural impact and visual legacy of Blade Runner and Fight Club as just 'good' is unfair to cinema history.
@d1obella@DiscussingFilm Exactly! In 1982, Blade Runner was crushed by the teen-comedy 'Porky's'.
Today, Porky's is completely forgotten, while Blade Runner is an immortal sci-fi monument
While discovering the puzzle on your own is beautiful, there are 3 people who disagree with you:
1. Christopher Nolan (In his The Odyssey press interview, 2026): "To be able to identify the mechanism does not invalidate the mechanism."
2. Jean-Luc Godard (In his Cahiers du Cinéma manifesto): "Cinema is editing and movement. If you watch a film just for the story, go read a book."
3. Roger Ebert (In his essay "Tell me a story... or don't"): "A movie is not about what it is about, it is about how it is about it."