@BeaneaterB@JieSongZhang@HawkeyeHouston The last statement is probably the most true. He did 50/50 then had 20 last yr and is on pace for 16 this yr. He isn’t the greatest ever. Not close. Let’s say his 110Gs P = Bonds 8 GG seasons. Bonds is a much better hitter. Let’s enjoy him and not overhype for clicks.
The recency bias in sports is tiresome. Yes Shohei is incredibly unique. But don’t call him an all timer yet. His ERA is low, but he limits his innings which makes it easier for him. Consider Bob Gibson pitched 19 straight CGs on his way to a 1.12 ERA. Dont compare them.
@JTHeppy Koufax threw 100. Gibson upper 90s using today’s standards. But they didn’t max effort because they were expected to do a LOT more than today’s Ps. Both consistently threw more CGs in a wk than Ohtani has in his career.
@ChocoIateDaddy@Cogito_Ergosum9 Gibson as a P. Did you see the 19 straight CG comment? I never said he was an AT player. He was asked to do things that Ohtani can’t and did them as a higher level. FWAR isn’t even posted on most sites because it’s a BS stat. Only people that can’t throw a baseball use it.
@JTHeppy Because they didn’t measure it then. Further Gibson and Koufax and the rest P CGs so didn’t do max all game. If Ohtani was forced to P as much as them he would break down. He already has once.
@ChocoIateDaddy@no_on_15 Nola hasn’t P regularly, no. DeGrom is always hurt so limited. Wheeler missed the 1st month and is only 10 behind him. He will pass him right around the AS break.
@mbappe_spurs He might be most talented. Might be. Bonds might be too. Or Mays. Mays and Aaron are .300/650 guys. They combined for 1 season w 100Ks in 46 seasons. That’s insane. Add Ruth, another .300/700 guy and you have 68 seasons w 1 100K yr. Different.
@JieSongZhang@HawkeyeHouston@BeaneaterB Current people like Verlander looking to get hits and comments to make money say that. I never said Gibson was the GOAT. I used the alltime season ERA champ to show how far Ohtani is behind him. Didn’t even compare him to Clemens, Maddux, Johnson, Ryan, Carlton etc.
@MartinSalgado48 So pitching 80 innings/yr means more than fielding 1600 innings/yr? So the Pirates played the Tigers in the WS last yr huh? 2 CY winners and P once every 5 days is more important than every day according to you. I hope the Pirates won last year.
@ChocoIateDaddy@no_on_15 So he isn’t a FT P. I’m fine with that. So not a top 100 P and not a top 20 all time hitter. And doesn’t field. Doesn’t sound like GOAT to me.
@Smallvillefreek@8nq66q45cw@lantoniomx Bonds didn’t P but he is an all time great in the OF. Ohtani P but doesn’t play the OF. So Bonds is a much better hitter and much much better OF and Shohei is a much much better P. Advantage Bonds.
@TeamEuroDisney So wait. Comparing him to others calling him an all timer. But can’t compare him to others. I understand now. I CAN compare to help Ohtani but can’t to hurt him.