The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, there are known knowns, there are known unknowns, but there are also unknown unknowns, things we donβt know, that we donβt know.
@TObayelu6860@PSGINT_ True, Iβm not really a fan of comparing people who play different positions on the pitch. But if weβre talking output and general play, itβs Fermin.
Barcelona you see what happens when you pay a man his salary on time? Araujo received Salary in full and on time in Liverpool and has turned to prime Dani Alves all of a sudden.
This is what actually vexes me. Weβve watched these two go head-to-head for almost 15 years. If you couldnβt decide who your GOAT was throughout their primes, why are you suddenly using what theyβre winning at the very end of their careers to settle the debate?
Did anyone say the debate was over when Ronaldo won his second international trophy? Did everyone suddenly crown him the undisputed GOAT? No. So why should the opposite happen now?
If you think Messi is the greatest, thatβs your opinion and thatβs fine. But changing your mind solely because of trophies won in the final chapter of their careers makes no sense. Judge their entire body of work, not just how the story ends.
Ronaldo is the Goat, Messi should win 3 World Cup, Ronaldo remains the GOAT.
I don't think yamal has good cause to brag after this world cup
Sure Spain have done well but that has been largely due to Oyarzabal, Olmo, Merino, Cucurella and Pedro Porro stepping up thier game big time.
Yamal hasn't really contributed anything significant to this Spanish team.
They laughed at Messi for not winning a trophy with Argentina.
They laughed at Messi when he lost the world cup final in 2014 and lost the Copa America final 2 years later.
Ronaldo even added Argentina losing the world cup final to his documentary then.
They laughed at Messi when the pressure became too much and he retired from the national team.
As at 2020 Ronaldo was 2-0 against Messi on international trophies.
Ronaldo fans said Messi wasn't better than Ronaldo because he couldn't win anything with Argentina.
What has happened since then?
Messi won the 2021 Copa America
Messi won the 2022 Finallisma
Messi won the 2022 World cup
Messi won the 2024 Copa America
Apart from winning the trophies
In the 2021 Copa America tournament Messi scored 4 goals and provided 5 assists and won the player of the tournament award.
In the 2022 Finallisma final Messi won the man of the match award.
In the 2022 world cup, Messi scored 7 goals, provided 3 assists and won the World cup golden ball.
The 2024 Copa America tournament was the only tournament in which Argentina won that Messi wasn't the player of the tournament.
Ronaldo on the other hand has never won a player of the tournament award in all the international tournaments he has played in.
In 2016 - 2020 Ronaldo fans and Ronaldo himself considered himself to be greater than Messi because he had won a trophy with Portugal.
Now fast-forward to 2026, Messi has won 4 trophies with Argentina including the biggest prize in football the world cup and delusional Ronaldo fans still refuse to acknowledge Messi as the greatest even though by their own metrics Messi has surpassed Ronaldo.
Food for thought.