God upholds the universe in substance. "By the word of his power" - Hebrews 1:3
Like the glue of existence.
He does do things but he does not compel, God works with our free will.
Also, if in calvinism God determines all things, then sin has to be one of those things. If not then they have to admit god can allow things to occur without determining them and then the whole thing falls apart.
God upholds the universe and has forknowledge of all events that doesn't mean he interferes at all times. He allows whats in our power, and this would again make God the author of evil and wickedness.
Scripture tells a much different story.
Ezekiel 33:11
"I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live"
The fall of Adam makes calvinism even more absurd as he was made sinless. The story could have ended right there. This makes the rest of scripture a farce.
Story of salvation can only stand on free will which is apart of the image were made in.
Yes but this is an attack on the character and nature of God, not that he had forknowledge of outcomes.
One predetermined that soul specifically for punishment the other allowed the soul free will of rejection.
Ezekiel 18:21-28
Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
@ScaryChart@sola_chad They can use word play gymnastics to try and get around it, but its what they fundamentally have to believe
"God from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass"-Westminster Confession of Faith
Polycarp, Disciple of St John.
"But He who raised Him up from the dead will raise up us also, if we do His will, and walk in His commandments, and love what He loved, keeping ourselves from all unrighteousness, covetousness, love of money, evil speaking, false witness; not rendering evil for evil, or railing for railing, [ 1 Peter 3:9 ] or blow for blow, or cursing for cursing, but being mindful of what the Lord said in His teaching: Judge not, that you be not judged; [ Matthew 7:1 ] forgive, and it shall be forgiven unto you; be merciful, that you may obtain mercy; [ Luke 6:36 ] with what measure you mete, it shall be measured to you again; [ Matthew 7:2; Luke 6:38 ] and once more, Blessed are the poor, and those that are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of God"
Not RC but
Elders were appointed to the church in many places, this was a bishop, a presbyterous / preist. Acts 14:23 and decons as well, st Stephen is one and called the proto deacon.
Regarding the "wafer" 1 Corinthians 11:27 Paul writes
Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.
Relics of polycarp were venerated who is a disciple of St John that means not even a generation removed from the apostles, the same people who learned under st John's disciple, venerated relics.
In ortho, we agree on purgatory. What RC believe about purgatory is actually the consuming fire before the throne. Daniel 7:9–10, Psalm 97:1–3, Psalm 50:2–3
And in orthodox we dont pray to her and the saints so much as ask for thier prayers since we believe God is the God of the living and not the dead Luke 20:38 and the saints present the prayers like incense before god Revelation 5:8.
@GodlyAction 1 Corinthians 4:15
For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
1 John 14
I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who is from the beginning.
@MikeWingerii Mike with respect what in orthodoxy has changed? We get unfairly lumped in with Rome. It certainly follows the ancient church closer then protestantism who are like the modern Christian version of the samaritans.
You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know.