@CharlesHea16445@RichardDawkins It's terrible writing but I don't see that it's postmodernist drivel in the sense that it isn't making statements which lack truth values, are contradictory, are trivially true, are obviously false, are in some other way meaningless etc.
@Good_News_GB@RichardDawkins Roughly: "While instructing people, I intentionally avoided subordinating them." I would suggest that this simplistic expression of his point misses some of the nuance he's trying to convey
@MormonNational If 100,000 grains of sand is a pile of sand, then it follows that 99,999 grains of sand is a pile of sand.
And if 99,999 grains of sand is a pile of sand then it follows that 99,998... Until 1.
Do you really think 1 grain of sand is a pile of sand
@RYChappell Agreed re good approximation, but then doesn't the ethical concern diminish significantly? (E.g. if it's merely an approximation, then why is it so bad to disregard separateness of persons? They're not (when you really get down to it) separate!)
@hradzka The value of being willing to nuke back is presumably in deterrence, so this has nothing to do with prisoner's dilemmas as in those games there is no form of communication or signaling between players
@wanyeburkett Doesn't almost literally everyone think this? "Oh I don't think X is wrong because I dislike it - I just think it really is wrong because of harm/dignity/purity/appropriateness/freedom/divine law/rights/etc considerations."
@cremieuxrecueil This kind of thing is typically treated as an aggravating factor wrt sentencing. It (or something like it) is generally considered a mitigating factor wrt determinations of liability for a crime. This is why "insanity defence" is famously considered a legal double-edged sword
@wanyeburkett This isn't responding to the question. The question asks what *reason* there is, not the causal (evolutionary) explanation for why something occurs. Atheists can claim things are wrong in a common sense way by claiming there are facts about morality which don't rely on God
@tracewoodgrains But the claim being made here is that their lives are *not* good because they're short and there's a significant amount of suffering in them, such that it is unlikely that suffering will be outweighed by other goods (e.g. pleasure, satisfaction, achievement, or whatever)
@tracewoodgrains This doesn't seem to have anything essentially to do with *negative* utilitarianism, or utilitarianism at all. (FWIW, there are very few negative utilitarians.) Almost any moral theory holds that suffering (1) is bad and (2) should be avoided, all else equal
@RYChappell But wouldn't the non-consequentialist say that this is begging the question? According to them, it's about *respecting* other people (or treating them appropriately, or whatever), not *valuing* them