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@ZouhairsMurid @AhmedSheriffdin What u think?

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran insulting people is instant block. You never answered any of my questions because you cannot convert virtue ethics into moral fact claims.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran Where are those prohibited due to probability and violating such is immoral/criminal?

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran Ok let's accept early coitus can lead to harm (i never said it couldn't). Do you accept that the natural intercourse among teens in highschool is criminal and immoral? And they are pedophiles?

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran No because the notion that Aristotle and Plato critized such ages BECAUSE it was immoral is not proven. There are different intepretations for why they even said marriage should ideally occur later. You have to show your interpretation of his virtue ethics as the only valid one.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran So criminalize and make it immoral based on higher probability? Dafuq.

This is why it is an ideal and not a fixed law/moral fact. Because there are numerous outliers.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran This literally says 15-24 and is nuking the standard 18 position aswell

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran Such would have to be criminally immoral but that isn't the case even though such carries same risk of pregnany etc. And what if a man had injury at yuong age and couldn't reproduce but could have sex at 15. Then what? No risk.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran they critized it based on ideals they thought of it doesn't tell us anything about legality. It hasn't moved the needle regarding sexual intercourse among people that occurs naturally at early ages via consent. And if such is ok then why can't marriage occur then? Moral argument?

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran Virtue Ethics does not give us any moral facts. How can you use virtue ethics to legislate criminal laws? Again I believe in various ideals but how does that translate into moral oughts. You have to overcome is-ought gap here.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran The practical implementation is not dick testing (breh). It is the customs of the society. The ruler can restrict the age of marriage to a higher level if he determines such. Anything that leads to darar is prohibited and parents don't usually get their children married to old.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran He is talking about ideals you can ask AI and it will tell you he is not making moral factual claims and legislating criminal law. It depends on one's interpretation of Aristotle and Plato here check with AI.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran Again, what is ideal and not does not translate into moral oughts/facts. It is ideal that marriages happen when people are in similar age groups or according to customs of the time (most societies now marry at ages 14-18+). This is ideal and I agree.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran What is ideal and violating that does NOT equal that it is suddenly immoral. That is the issue. Let's say 16 is an average, if someone qualifys at 15 and then wants to marry someone older (30) then is it immoral? What's the logical leap from idealness to immorality?

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran The second thing is that this logic of when it reaches maturity must mean that 25 is when age of marriage should be but that is absurd. Why wait til the end? Same for 16 being the end point, someone could be younger and marry and meet maturity.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran This is plato's ideal, notice under this definition if you took it to be a law would make us all pedophiles as no country has it then. This also is not him critizing those who have it younger. Bad attempt. Moral realists of past never critized such marriages.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran Also your argument is that lower ages lead to higher chances for injury in birth and such? But then sex among highschoolers must be immoral as the pregnancy consequence is no different, yet this is natural among teenagers.

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@Noone08442769 @imadh_udzz @PrimaQuran Lower education and poverty leads to such because these societies have worse health/environmental conditions. If you give them the medical/environmental care then would they suddenly increase the age of first time sexual intercourse? There is no material change in conditions.