@Damjamhot@DrKarlynB ad hominems aren't arguments. What was taken out of context? Does the speaker say sike at the end of the anti parental rights/nuclear family part?
Does she glaze straight parents for the first hour before this rant?
No.. she doesn't. You're the POS for defending this crap.
@thedudenurseRN@TheOnlyDSC You dont have to give your PHYSICAL ID, sure, but you must give name, date or birth, and address when legally detained, under that same penal code.
@thedudenurseRN@TheOnlyDSC We're talking about a detainment that then turned to an arrest ; the police dont need to prove all elements of the crime to arrest you - only that you are likely to be involved in what theyre charging you with, otherwise known as probable cause.
@thedudenurseRN@TheOnlyDSC probable cause and reasonable articulable suspicion does not require all elements of a crime be proven on the street - that what court is for. PC only requires strong evidence of a crime exist, and the person police are arresting is likely the culprit.
@SFB_Addict@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC Trespassing is absolutely an arrestable offense. Once you are trespassed, or accused of trespass, the police have the right to investigate and ID all parties involved as part of that investigation.
@j_lah1@SylasNigel@alphafox She didnt have her blinker on but that wouldnt have changed anything - he crossed double yellow lines, speeding in a school zone, and drove recklessly - that puts him at 100% fault, regardless of the lack of signal from the other driver.
@thedudenurseRN@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC And look - if the police don't have RAS - and they arrest you anyway - the Judge is going to look at the case, say bad arrest, drop your charges, and now you're set up to sue the police department for false imprisonment. But if you FLEE or fight, all that goes out the window.
@thedudenurseRN@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC In almost all states police need RAS for an ID - which is a lower bar than PC. Something as simple as a witness stating "i saw this person doing shady shit" is enough for a cop to stop, detain, ID, and investigate. You dont have to self incriminate, but you MUST ID.
@thedudenurseRN@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC I agree with you the cop didnt have enough PC to arrest but the eye witness testimony of a suspicious person, trespassing on property, and the testimony of the perp saying "yes i was on property knocking on doors" places him ON scene and lends credibility to the witness.Thats RAS
@thedudenurseRN@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC Remember: cops only need REASONABLE ARTICULABLE SUSPICION that a crime has happened, is going to happen, or is happening, and they can detain persons they have RAS on and further investigate. Once you're lawfully detained you MUST ID yourself and you are not free to go.
@thedudenurseRN@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC Yes, the caller. The caller testified that they SAW the guy trespassing on property. We don't know if a crime was committed, the cops were INVESTIGATING a POTENTIAL crime. Cop had a witness; cop finds perp fitting description - cop demands ID - perp flees - now perp is arrested.
@thedudenurseRN@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC RAS is a lower standard than Probable Cause. Probable cause is needed for an arrest - RAS is needed for legal detainment, youre not arrest, but youre not free to go and you must ID. Again the bar for being ID'ed by LE is very low; eye witness of wrong doing is enough to be detain
@thedudenurseRN@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC Walking onto the curtilege of ones yard isn't necessarily tresspassing, but it seems like it was more than just just going on their yard. He was clearly casing houses - he claimed he was looking for house work but has no tools on him... That doesnt track at all.
@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC And youre right - we dont have the whole story - dude could be completely innocent - but he became a criminal when he disobeyed lawful orders and fled police. He was detained, and was obligated to show ID and follow instruction. He did NONE of those things and brok the law.
@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC Well, they were trying to but he decided he wanted to disobey a lawful order and flee police. Then he resisted arrest, lied about not being able to breathe (If you can yell, you can breathe). and clearly was mad in the backseat because he knew he was caught.
@WinzlowGreen@TheOnlyDSC Wrong. They had eye witnesses describing someone who looks like him, riding on his bike, tresspassing and snooping around on private properties. That gives police reasonable articulable suspicion that crime is afoot, and he may be involved, which gives him the right to ID.