I have one question for Mayor Commie:
What is the number in someone’s bank account that turns them from a good person you support into an evil capitalist who should be taxed into oblivion?
What is the number that is too much money for the cafeteria worker? For the welder?
@C_3C_3@RobertKlaas2 The hazards of losing your unpaid government job bc you ran out of work. Or more accurately too much fraud was being uncovered & that's not tolerable. He had to go.
@SenWarren When the bottom 50% of the earners pay no income tax, it seems we already have a wealth tax. Government has a spending problem not an income problem. Instead of taxing the rich more to bring them down, cut taxes. Allow the poor to keep more of what they earn & rise up.
.@BernieSanders , it is a time to celebrate. @elonmusk has created enormous value for society by building @SpaceX, driving down the cost of rocket launches and creating a global satellite communication network that has brought high speed, low-cost internet and communication access to hundreds of millions and eventually billions of people along with critical advantages for our military and our nation’s defense.
SpaceX and its technologies will cause an acceleration in the growth of wages and wealth creation globally, including in some of the poorest communities in the U.S. and around the world.
Access to low-cost, high speed communications everywhere will allow children around the world to be educated, families to build businesses, and life-saving medical knowledge and care to be available everywhere.
SpaceX will materially bring down the cost of compute, advancing AI and humanity.
Meanwhile, 4,000 SpaceX employees yesterday became millionaires, including hourly wage employees who you claim you are trying to help.
The Elon Musks of the world drive growth, global GDP, and provide access to goods and services at lower cost that would otherwise not exist.
Elon’s nominal trillionaire status is due to his ownership of SpaceX, Tesla, Neuralink, the Boring Company and his other initiatives that have brought new technologies that improve our everyday lives.
Elon is not sitting on a trillion dollar pile of cash, jewelry and gold. He is using his controlling stakes in his companies to advance mankind. Elon’s companies don’t pay dividends. They reinvest all of their capital to accelerate innovation and value creation.
Elon is working 24/7 for all of us. He deserves respect and appreciation, not smears.
Bernie, your socialism would never allow a SpaceX to be built. Socialism has only proven to impoverish mankind and lead to death and destruction.
We need to create the conditions for more SpaceXs to be built, not attack the great entrepreneurs who are helping to advance our country.
What have you done to help humanity? You want to talk about scale?! He transformed the entire auto industry and created cars that drive themselves which are already saving hundreds, probably thousands of lives being 3.5X safer than average driver and getting better every day. How about making us multiplanetary? You think that's cheap?!You can't get to a bigger scale than that! Giving paraplegic people the ability to communicate better and operate computers with their minds. Helping the blind to see. Solving traffic with underground tunnels. How fucking moronic to think that the only way to help humanity is to give money. He's using his money to help people probably more than any single man in history. And here you are bashing him for not doing enough. You are straight up retarded.
The best part about capitalism is that those that produce and profit already have a scorecard of how much they have helped humanity. That’s literally what profit is. You took a $1M factory/building/machinery, plus $1M worth of labor and payroll taxes, etc, plus $1M of materials and electricity, etc, and made a cool product that all in sold for $4M…. You just made the society around you $1M better off. Microsoft, Amazon, Oracle, Exxon, SpaceX, Ford, Walmart - down to the local barbershop and pizza joint all make the world around them better.
First off, nobody has any obligation to help anyone else. You don't get to decide what other people do with their lives. It is not your life.
Secondly, Musk got to where he has specifically by helping people. His business pays out tremendously in payrolls, and every part, supply, and service his businesses pay for are in turn payrolls for the employees of those other businesses.
He doesn't "have" a trillion dollars worth of crumpled up 1s and 5s sitting in jars buried in his back yard. That is the valuation of his assets and estimation of his businesses's abilities to generate revenue. All of that money is in motion, and all of those assets are being put to use benefiting humanity.
Then we've found the disagreement.
I believe creating value and acquiring wealth through voluntary trade justifies keeping it.
You believe the more successful a person becomes, the less entitled they are to the results of their success.
The issue isn't whether wealth was earned. The issue is that you view ability as an obligation and success as a debt.
By that standard, ability creates obligation and inability creates exemption.
The more capable, productive, and successful you are, the more responsibility you have. The less capable, productive, and successful you are, the less responsibility you have.
Success becomes a debt. Failure becomes a discount.
That's quite an incentive structure.
@NathanJRobinson@RockChartrand "The more capacity you have to help people the more responsibility you have to do it." The products & services provided through their businesses help people. If you buy something it's bc you believe it helps you. The jobs, huge amounts of taxes & charitable donations help people.
You can justify it the same way you justify earning a thousand dollars:
You create value, people voluntarily trade with you, and both sides believe they're better off.
The argument isn't really about morality. It's about scale.
If trillionaires didn't exist, billionaires would be condemned.
If billionaires didn't exist, millionaires would be condemned.
If millionaires didn't exist, the successful small business owner would be condemned.
The threshold for "unjust wealth" has a remarkable habit of moving downward until it finds someone richer than the person complaining.
@NathanJRobinson Why should one morally justify their wealth? $ have no morality. Should one choose to morally judge a rich person, one must look at their investments; Nurallink, Boring Co, DOGE, robotics, AI, Tesla, SpaceX & buying Twitter to save free speech. Do they improve quality of life?
@Revenant443379@bigbrother2084@Michael951413 Yes they are incompatible. Socialism is about enslaving the people, stealing their production & creativity & redistributing them. That doesn't bode w/anarchy, but Socialist frequently use anarchists to force change then grab power. Once in power Socialists don't tolerate dissent.
@Revenant443379@fancy_pin@FabianLiberty How are the homeless enslaved? What tasks are they REQUIRED to perform? We enslave taxpayers, properly referred Involuntary Servitude. Taxes are for the official government functions in the Constitution. Charity NOT AUTHORIZED, general welfare for entire nation, not individuals.
@Revenant443379@FabianLiberty Try it from another perspective, they deserve to be where they are bc they have not done anything to improve their circumstances. Charity is given willingly & not required. They are not entitled to enslave others. If they want more there are millions examples of how to get more.
@RobertKlaas2@BrandiKruse Everyone has a God given right to self defense. The 2nd Amendment is for self defense, bearing arms has little value if can only use in defense of country. When in fear of serious injury or death, any weapon can be used. All rights are human rights, privacy rights > sex rights.
We need to normalize referring to all of this as human rights. The right to defend yourself with a weapon is a human right. But, attacking another person without cause is an infringement upon their rights. The right to be gay is a human right, not a gay right. But, as soon as someone pretends to be a gender they are not, and enters a private space where they are not welcome, they are in fringing upon the human rights of others.