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[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene Congrats! I know nothing about your actual work but if it's anything like how you've communicated with us it's top notch

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@JurdiJD I get it's frustrating, but Heart is compared to Kings, which all paladins can do, its a "permanent" buff either way so it's about the same. Druid WF, 100 range, always on, scales, only feral dps. Shaman, 30y range, 2 minute duration, all shamans. Different but fair imo

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @TziggoGuglop @l71419271 @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW Totally, it's kinda why I thought it weird it was be used as the solution in the first place.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @TziggoGuglop @l71419271 @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW It's appreciated and I have enjoyed the back and forth regardless of any direct change, it's been interesting to see the otherside of the coin. After understanding why something is, it's easier to accept.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@rafaelgrip40041 @Zirene @TziggoGuglop @l71419271 @AggrendWoW DW tanking was forgoing block (because it was bad) to do more damage and threat (probably too much) Hardcasting is forgoing parry, block and dodge, (even thought they are better than ever) to do comparable dps in single target and probably too much in AoE.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@MasterLawson @Zirene @l71419271 @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW I've been coming round it to it, I think it's bad as a TPS/DPS alternative but it feels nice enough. Molten Blast is an utter noodle but as a filler it's not nothing.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @TziggoGuglop @l71419271 @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW I pumped, when trade off was was DW tanking (something that existed in classic with fury prot) but it got nuked for forced shield gameplay. Now to pump it's Hardcast while forgoing all defense, been doing that too but I don't enjoy it. I think there's a happy medium somewhere

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW Not that hot a take, I agree to some degree. But it's been 3 "raids" of solo tanking single target bosses and in the future if things even remain mostly the same it's alot of many tanks vs 1 boss. The meta pressure is always less tanks, less healers, you cut the weakest one.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @l71419271 @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW That was my plan, as I personally prefer consistency but I do worry if it's alot worse, even vs other Shamans nvm tanks.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW I get it's tough road to walk, I personally don't want to be the best in all situations, but I want to feel effective in all siutations. People making fun of you for underperforming is funny, once in a while.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @l71419271 @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW The drawback is that you must hardcast for it to be that huge threat generator, while hardcasting you can't tank effectively as you can't parry, dodge or block. So you wait for MsW to do it's work which is 2/3 a minute. Which was the inital concern.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW That's fair, I don't, but we can only test what's in front of us, which was a fast hitting single target Boss. All of the class changes we've had in PTR made AoE stronger (which we are already great at), it's trickle down dpsnomics on the single target pain pint.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @rafaelgrip40041 @AggrendWoW That is true but, only garr has prolonged multi target engagement, spliting the dogs on golemagg is single target with extra steps. I don't see how molten blast is the answer to this problem. Actively making AoE spell stronger isn't a good single target solution

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @shoe92O @l71419271 With the recent changes, I think this solution works more and more. If we got a similar to 2handed, 50% MsW chance baked into WoE, it would really curtail the NEED for hardcasting for a melee build, while keeping it as optimal as it is now.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @TziggoGuglop @shoe92O @l71419271 Without totem, it's hard to get a feel for mana consumption vs mana recovery and what pressure that would bring to weapon speeds. Testwerk hits very fast so SM procs galore, which brings us back to him being the worst possible hardcasting boss and the gap between not.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @TziggoGuglop @shoe92O @l71419271 As an gearing guy. Tank gear has strength on it, it's good for enhancement builds, gives SP anyway via Mental dex, but if raw SP just better?. Faster Weapons would make SS less important not more, the melee portion of damage is shrinking all the time. Thanks for listening.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @TziggoGuglop @shoe92O @l71419271 I feel like we are having a bit of a recursion problem, tanks lean towards SP as ~50-60% of our damage is spell based, gear is tuned more with SP in mind, hardcasting becomes more attractive. A WoE MsW bake-in is probably the most surgical adjustment to offset that, but... 2/3

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @shoe92O @l71419271 IMO the problem for enhancement tank shaman, since p3 has been the loss of Lava Lash. We've been trying to jam other hand runes to fill the hole. Using the AoE spell Molten Blast in single target or the caster heavy LvB with 2/3 Full MsW stack per min. Or hardcasting it.

[Lastwolf @Lastwolven]

@Zirene @shoe92O @l71419271 We hold threat fine by doing the degen hardcasting. Raw numbers are kinda okay (even being last) to compete with other tank's dmg, we have to do even more casting. This feels bad to play. And this is the biggest swing in tanking design, from p2 dual wield tank to 60% casting.