I cannot recommend On the Dogma of the Church by St. Hilarion Troitsky highly enough whether you’re inquiring into Orthodoxy or have been in the Church for years. I swear by this book.
I’m now deep into the 3rd Essay and studying it slowly, page by page, footnote by footnote, it’s been a slow burn but worth it. This book has forced me to sit back, examine myself, weep, repent and strengthened my faith, confidence and conviction like nothing else. If you want to understand what the Church truly is and be transformed by it read this book. Glory to God for the Holy Fathers.
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The man in this story is worth knowing if you don’t already. Jaroslav Pelikan was arguably the greatest historian of Christian doctrine in the 20th century. Yale professor. Author of the five-volume Christian Tradition and was the editor of Luther’s Works in English. The man who gave America its Luther!
He spent forty years studying the development of doctrine from the Apostles forward. Not as a partisan but as a Lutheran scholar trained in the German critical tradition, the school that assumed the early Church had corrupted the simple gospel with Greek philosophy. His research convinced him the opposite was true that the Fathers had faithfully deepened what they received from the Apostles and Orthodoxy was the True Church. The deeper he read, the more he identified with them and the question stopped being historical and became ecclesial where does that continuity live now?
In 1994 a friend told him privately of his own decision to enter the Roman Catholic Church. Pelikan answered without hesitation: “Were I to do something similar, I would be received into the Orthodox Church.” In March 1998, at St. Vladimir’s Seminary, he was. His friend writes that it was no conversion at all, no turning around just the slow arrival, over forty years of study, at the place his evidence had been pointing the whole time.
This is what I mean about continuity. You can argue with me, Jay Dyer or anyone else, It’s harder to argue with the man who edited Luther, mastered the entire history of doctrine and concluded at the end of it that the apostolic Church is the Orthodox Church. He didn’t unsee what he saw but he humbled himself.
Read it!! A Lutheran journal published this. ☦️
The thing Protestants will always get wrong and one of the biggest reasons NONE truly wanted to debate the historicity of the Church, the oneness of the church, the unity of the Church and Her self identification is because Protestantism has no continuity. None. It cannot trace itself backward through history without the line going dead somewhere in the 16th century and maybe the knew that fact is not a debating point but maybe just maybe It’s the whole question. It's why I'm not a Protestant anymore and never will be ever again.
Walk it backward, for real, EVERY Protestant body, whatever its denomination, terminates in a founder! Men like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer, Wesley, or some later man who split from one of them. Each of these men looked at the church in front of him, decided it had failed and built something according to his own idea of what the Church should have been or should go back to in some way. They called it reformation but you cannot reform your way into apostolic continuity and you sure can’t reform something that was not started by men! It is a visible and divine institution, and the Church itself is self identified and self defined but when Harrises started to arise throughout the centuries, it took the men that we know today as saints to articulate what has always been and what she is NOT.
Either the Church Christ founded persisted, as He promised the gates of hell would not prevail against her or she didn’t. There’s no third option where she vanished for fifteen centuries and a German monk found her under a rock and here’s the part Protestants almost never reckon with that the church the Reformers were protesting was not the ancient Church. It was Rome and from where Orthodoxy stands, Rome herself is a branch that broke away in 1054, after centuries of drifting from the consensus of the apostolic sees on papal supremacy and the Filioque. The Reformers saw real corruption, real abuse, real innovation. They just misdiagnosed I guess you can say but they thought they were rebelling against the ancient Church gone bad and were to be the heroes to rescue her lol rescue the church taken hostage by wicked men, I didn’t know the body of Christ that is in by the Holy Spirit can be taken hostage by men?!. They were actually rebelling against a body that had already left the ancient Church we see today as Orthodoxy and their solution was to leave further. A schism born from a schism.
Now, the spirit behind this is not new okay, The Church has seen men with private visions of what she should be since the second century and she has answered them before. Men like Marcion of Pontus arrived in Rome around 140 AD with a theory that the Church had corrupted the gospel by mixing it with Judaism and he alone could recover the pure original. So he threw out the entire Old Testament, kept a mutilated Luke and ten edited Pauline epistles and declared the God of Israel a different being from the Father of Jesus Christ. Tertullian wrote five books against him that I'm still working through right now and his most devastating argument was simply chronological. Marcion’s god first showed up in the reign of Antoninus, Christ revealed the Father in the reign of Tiberius, A god nobody had heard of for a hundred years after Christ is not the God Christ preached he’s an invention and the dates alone prove it. Tertullian also put his finger on the method “Marcion’s special and principal work is the separation of the law and the gospel” Against Marcion 1.19 ANF. Tear the two covenants apart and you can build whatever religion you like from the pieces and he’s did that with the scripture, he took things out, added new things the same way the protestants did it! Read that argument again and ask whether it applies to a church that first appears in 1517.
I believe that this should be a topic that we should all touch on if we truly love Christ and desire a very genuine relationship with him. It shouldn't be about us but the TRUTH!
The thing Protestants will always get wrong and one of the biggest reasons NONE truly wanted to debate the historicity of the Church, the oneness of the church, the unity of the Church and Her self identification is because Protestantism has no continuity. None. It cannot trace itself backward through history without the line going dead somewhere in the 16th century and maybe the knew that fact is not a debating point but maybe just maybe It’s the whole question. It's why I'm not a Protestant anymore and never will be ever again.
Walk it backward, for real, EVERY Protestant body, whatever its denomination, terminates in a founder! Men like Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Cranmer, Wesley, or some later man who split from one of them. Each of these men looked at the church in front of him, decided it had failed and built something according to his own idea of what the Church should have been or should go back to in some way. They called it reformation but you cannot reform your way into apostolic continuity and you sure can’t reform something that was not started by men! It is a visible and divine institution, and the Church itself is self identified and self defined but when Harrises started to arise throughout the centuries, it took the men that we know today as saints to articulate what has always been and what she is NOT.
Either the Church Christ founded persisted, as He promised the gates of hell would not prevail against her or she didn’t. There’s no third option where she vanished for fifteen centuries and a German monk found her under a rock and here’s the part Protestants almost never reckon with that the church the Reformers were protesting was not the ancient Church. It was Rome and from where Orthodoxy stands, Rome herself is a branch that broke away in 1054, after centuries of drifting from the consensus of the apostolic sees on papal supremacy and the Filioque. The Reformers saw real corruption, real abuse, real innovation. They just misdiagnosed I guess you can say but they thought they were rebelling against the ancient Church gone bad and were to be the heroes to rescue her lol rescue the church taken hostage by wicked men, I didn’t know the body of Christ that is in by the Holy Spirit can be taken hostage by men?!. They were actually rebelling against a body that had already left the ancient Church we see today as Orthodoxy and their solution was to leave further. A schism born from a schism.
Now, the spirit behind this is not new okay, The Church has seen men with private visions of what she should be since the second century and she has answered them before. Men like Marcion of Pontus arrived in Rome around 140 AD with a theory that the Church had corrupted the gospel by mixing it with Judaism and he alone could recover the pure original. So he threw out the entire Old Testament, kept a mutilated Luke and ten edited Pauline epistles and declared the God of Israel a different being from the Father of Jesus Christ. Tertullian wrote five books against him that I'm still working through right now and his most devastating argument was simply chronological. Marcion’s god first showed up in the reign of Antoninus, Christ revealed the Father in the reign of Tiberius, A god nobody had heard of for a hundred years after Christ is not the God Christ preached he’s an invention and the dates alone prove it. Tertullian also put his finger on the method “Marcion’s special and principal work is the separation of the law and the gospel” Against Marcion 1.19 ANF. Tear the two covenants apart and you can build whatever religion you like from the pieces and he’s did that with the scripture, he took things out, added new things the same way the protestants did it! Read that argument again and ask whether it applies to a church that first appears in 1517.
I believe that this should be a topic that we should all touch on if we truly love Christ and desire a very genuine relationship with him. It shouldn't be about us but the TRUTH!
Metropolitan Benjamin - in the world Basil Pavlovich Kazansky - was born in 1872 (or 1873 or 1874) in the village of Nimensky pogost, Andreyevsky volost, Kargopol uyezd, Olonets province, into the family of a priest.
Of his childhood he wrote: "In my childhood and adolescence I immersed myself in reading the Lives of the Saints and was enraptured by their heroism and their holy inspiration. With all my heart I sorrowed over the fact that times had changed and one no longer had to suffer what they suffered. Times have changed again, and the opportunity has been opened to suffer for Christ both from one's own people and from strangers!"
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A.D. 1922
Saint Benjamin of Petrograd standing trial for "counter-revolutionary agitation" during the Bolshevik infiltration of the Church.
He was later charged and executed by firing squad.
A.D. 1922
Saint Benjamin of Petrograd standing trial for "counter-revolutionary agitation" during the Bolshevik infiltration of the Church.
He was later charged and executed by firing squad.
Now that Jay Dyer has retired, both Protestants and Catholic debaters are finally speaking up but back when he called everyone out to debate, to stand tall on their beliefs but silence was the rule, no one said a word. Laughable.
Technology is consistently associated with the work and revelation of demonic forces, symbolically if not literally.
And at the same time, the Orthodox approach is always to baptize this technology and put its good asacts to use for the faith.
"Become all things to all men that some might be saved"
When we start to have great ideas about ourselves, God allows greater temptations to come upon us and defeat us, so that we're humbled and seek his help again.
— Saint Isaac the Syrian
Holy Tradition is not the dead traditions of men, but the faith of the living, preserved by the saints, proclaimed by the Church, and lived by the faithful.
@ReaderWillibald Of course brother! And Nice! You are going to really enjoy it. It's honestly where I give a lot of my answers to questions I get IRL about the Church and her identity.
Tbh I've been falling in love with softcover as of late lol KINDA.
I cannot recommend On the Dogma of the Church by St. Hilarion Troitsky highly enough whether you’re inquiring into Orthodoxy or have been in the Church for years. I swear by this book.
I’m now deep into the 3rd Essay and studying it slowly, page by page, footnote by footnote, it’s been a slow burn but worth it. This book has forced me to sit back, examine myself, weep, repent and strengthened my faith, confidence and conviction like nothing else. If you want to understand what the Church truly is and be transformed by it read this book. Glory to God for the Holy Fathers.
@C2Antiquity This is a good video about it. Don’t argue or debate with your family members, it’s a bad idea. The only way you’re going to convince family members is when they see you change.
https://t.co/a3raCeqN7A