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[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

Liberty on the Rocks is back this Wednesday! Glenn Roper of @PacificLegal will be talking about all the legal work has done fighting for liberty!🔥

When: Wednesday June 3rd (Doors open from 6-9 event Starts at 7)
Where: Independence Institute
727 East 16th Avenue Denver https://t.co/OEG2H4D9gN

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

@yoalexrapz @RealCandaceO As a giant fan of Culture Apothecary, this is a very disappointing thing to see.

Alex is probably running the best health podcast in the space right now. But Turning Point has lost its way, and everyone honest knows it.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

@COHouseDem You're literally requiring third party companies to collect.

You liars.

This doesnt protect kids, at creates a honey pot of information of children's personal information.

[FreeStateColorado @FreeStateColor1]

Thank you @JonCaldara for having me as a guest on Devil's Advocate! The fight for a Free State starts at the local level!

https://t.co/IgVgDrpOPX

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

@RFQ4NH Property taxes are probably the single biggest reason we dont plan to move out to NH. Any chance of working to get those lowered?

[Hunter Beast 🕯️ @cryptoquick]

Excited for @DenverBitDevs tonight at @SpaceDenver!

@robertwarren will be talking about the death of bitcoin mining.

You won't want to miss it! And as usual, please come an hour early if you want to socialize.

https://t.co/NiE5WOQFz0

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

We are occupied. They're now trying to make it official.

[Former Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 @FmrRepMTG]

The United States of America is a sovereign nation.

Section 224 of the 2027 National Defense Authorization Act must be removed.

Our military should not be integrated in any capacity with a foreign country’s military.

Nor should we be funding it.

[Konstantin Kisin @KonstantinKisin]

Britain had a moment of silence for George Floyd. Our politicians kneeled en masse to show their outrage at his killing. "I can't breathe" became a slogan.

George Floyd died on the other side of the world. He wasn't British.

Henry Nowak *was* British and his treatment by the police was shocking and negligent in the extreme. Yet there is no minute of silence. There is no coordinated public campaign. There is no kneeling at sporting events.

And we all know why.

During the summer of BLM, some people said "All Lives Matter". This was treated as the highest form of racism and anyone who said this was immediately cancelled. Why? Because the people in charge don't actually think all lives matter in the same way.

They have created a racial hierarchy of victimhood where a career criminal who died through mistreatment by police in a foreign country with 0 evidence of racism like George Floyd is automatically sanctified because of the colour of his skin.

And Henry Nowak, a British man, one of ours, is automatically dismissed and ignored because of the colour of his.

This is the ugly fruit of so-called "anti-racism", an obsession with race that has created a two-tier society which treats people differently because of the colour of their skin.

This needs to stop.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

See everyone tonight!!

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

Liberty on the Rocks is back this Wednesday! Glenn Roper of @PacificLegal will be talking about all the legal work has done fighting for liberty!🔥

When: Wednesday June 3rd (Doors open from 6-9 event Starts at 7)
Where: Independence Institute
727 East 16th Avenue Denver https://t.co/OEG2H4D9gN

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

@Knorssman Nah its just that Libertarians who support Israel are retarded and we dont have time to argue with that many morons on Twitter.

I will be blocking you now though. So take care.

[Matt Walsh @MattWalshBlog]

Pretty much all of the prominent voices who supported the Iran War assured us it would be over by now. None of them will admit they were wrong. Even less will they admit that their initial assurances were based on nothing but their own wishcasting. This whole shitshow has been an enormous waste of time and resources and our country has not benefited from it at all. Its advocates have moved the goal posts repeatedly and have even to this day refused to clearly articulate what constitutes a victory and how we’ll know that it’s been achieved.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

It's not infighting, since you all are just standard issue Republicans and Scott isnt.

Israel is the one that has provoked almost every single middle east conflict since before it was created, and the U.S is the one that steps in to protect them when they get fucked up for it.

Israel is literally attacking two differnt countries, plus Gaza right now. Everytime Trump tries to negotiate an end, Israel continues attacking Lebanon or Iran to sabotage the deal. They have even killed the negotiators directly.

At this point its only boomers, Zionists and retards defending Israel still.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

So weird to me when so called libertarians spend a lot of time attacking our best libertarians over absolute nonsense. Its even worse when they are just flat out wrong about it all.

@scotthortonshow belongs on the Mount Rushmore of Libertarians for his work on the wars. Dude is a genius and we are lucky to have him.

[Jack V Lloyd @jackvlloyd]

Scott Horton’s “reporting” involves:
- Places he’s never been to.
- People he’s never met.
- Meetings he’s never been a part of.
- Social acumen he lacks.

As such, Scott’s chief tactic in stringing together narratives is doing what’s called “quote mining.”

Quote mining is where someone selectively takes quotes from others to build a story that would not be truly substantiated if someone had all context, words, and information available.

It’s like if someone had a Lego set for a giant spaceship and they selectively took pieces from the set to try and make a fire truck.

While you might make a semblance of a truck, if you had all the pieces in their proper places with the rest of them, it would create a different visual than presented.

And Scott is able to lure people into believing he is correct and knowledgeable because he does a common leftist tactic of information overload through Gish gallop.

Leftists often rapid-fire a lengthy series of base abstract facts like names, dates, and places, weaving together generalities to make it appear that they have a strong case.

The summative act of listing out base factual data, like an honors student trying to memorize and regurgitate for a test, is used to lead people to think that there is then a logical nexus of cause-and-effect relationship between the raw data and the claims then made.

In a religious corollary, it’s like someone who says their religious text contains truthful information about a historical location but then tries to use that factoid as evidence that something miraculous mentioned after must then also be true even though there is no way to verify that miraculous event independently.

So too does Scott Horton take the base facts and the quote mining to create narratives that do not actually represent firm cause-and-effect relationships.

And a part of the reason Scott so readily falls into this trap is due to a cognitive bias called “availability bias.”

Scott is only able to have the information he has because it is provided to him through third parties as he is not a direct, primary source reporter doing difficult, undercover journalism like a James O’Keefe.

Everything Scott must draw from comes from someone else.

It would be relatively easy to pick apart this information by seeing what his landscape of knowledge contains.

Questions like:

“Do you know the name, location, mission, and information that every spy has for every single government agency on planet Earth?”

Obviously, Scott does not as he cannot say what is secret from him.

And, realistically, neither can most anyone else.

The totality of information among government agencies and their networks of spies and informants would greatly influence what one might believe about relative power structures, risks, and conflicts.

So when someone tries to speak with total confidence about what is a true and total cause on geopolitical affairs where those affairs would be influenced by clandestine warfare, spying, and manipulation of assets, it should immediately give pause with follow-up questions like:

- What is the source of your information?
- What information could you be lacking?
- When you quoted that person, what else did the person say that you’ve left out?
- What other actions/statements have been made by other affected parties surrounding the time and event of the quote you’re using?

Every time you do this process, it’s a point for deeper understanding and reflection that despite best efforts, events that involve secret meetings with secret affairs and clandestine espionage and warfare are going to have ambiguities that make making a firm claim not meaningfully possible.

And it’s here where the discourse really becomes about trying to see what is demonstrable versus that which is speculative.

To now bring this into focus with specific critique, I want you to check out the article by Tim Starr titled, “The Intellectual Autopsy of Scott Horton: Provoked (2024).”

This is an article that precisely dives into what I am talking about here with specific citation and reference to Scott Horton’s work, outlining how Scott strings together a bunch of base factoids but then pairs those with mined quotes that make unsubstantiated leaps of logic.

This is a great exercise in textual analysis with critical thinking skills applied, skills of pointing out logical fallacies and leaps in conclusions.

It will help you become a better thinker and enable you to apply this kind of thinking to other reporting events in the future.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

Ok but that's not what you said.

Secondly you are once again ignoring the U.S's role in this. The US signed off on the gassing of the kurds and helped fund it to deal with Iranian regime they helped created.

So you are once again proving my point. This very likely never would have happened without US involvement. Yes Saddam was evil. But our taking him out make things worse. Likewise our funding and supporting him early on also made everything worse.

Yeah their are other dictators out there. Our intervention pretty much always makes shit worse. We should mind our own business, secure our own borders and try to promote free trade, not war.

Actually even with Hitler we, and the british, very likely made things worse. You can check out work of Thad Russell, Darryl Cooper or Pat Buchanan on that. The US teamed up with Stalin, a man who was already responsible for more death at that point than Hitler would be by the end of the war. This led to millions more dead, and 60 years of communism.

Weird that I have to keep articulating this to a guy who wrote a book on Voluntarism. You should probably just change you're whole brand because your just a standard republican at this point.

Anyways im out.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

So your argument is that now in Iraq women don't have to wear burkas so the war in Iraq that killed a million people was worth it just to liberate these women from Burqas? First off thats ridiculous even if that were true.

Secondly Burqas were not mandatory under Saddam's relatively secular government. However forced Burqas did spike after Saddam was overthrown. So a million people dead and thats just the Iraqi's, nevermind Americans, or all the terrorist groups that came after, but then 20 plus years later woman's status is back to were it was during Saddam. Bang up job America did their.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

You're not saying anything new. This is standard republican rhetoric. I thought you were a libertarian?

Every country the war has gotten involved with is worse off. You must know this. Most of them dramatically so. Libya and Syria are hell holes compared to what they used to be.

This is what happens every time. You cant just bomb the shit out of the countries and expect things to get better. Thats not how it works.

Also you talk about how we want the tyranny to end here, yes we do. We aren't even free here, how do we think we can make other countries free? Secondly our wars have cost our country trillions of dollars. Every single person in the U.S is worse off thanks to these wars just for the economics alone. Nevermind the war on terror being repurposed to come home.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

Ive engaged with Tim multiple times, including in person. He's basically a standard Neo-con. These people also claim to be against fighting tyrants. They do it every time they start a war. Its a really dumb argument every time. And it pretty much always makes everyone worse off.

No the fake quotes, are summaries that are mostly wrong. Tim is implying they are quotes by putting them in quotes.

What totalitarian regimes are you talking about? Russia? Sure they are pretty shitty. Im not really a fan. But our supporting the war in Ukraine had done nothing to help anyone but the war profiteers and the scammers. The Russians are almost guranteed to win this war, and the US is helping get thousands of Ukranians killed for it.

And as Scott has written an entire book about, this war was mostly avoidable. But the US and Nato "Provoked" this war with years and years of shitty policy. This doesnt make it right for Russia to invade, but it did make it predictable and shows that the U.S. were never innocent in this conflict or a hundred others.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

Commies are dipshits. But unfortunately, their some of the only people who oppose these dumb wars. So in that case they are allies.

Thats how politics works.

You have to work with people you disagree with or nothing ever gets done. It would be nicer if commies werent retarded on everything else, or the NAFO boys werent retarded on war, but here we are.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

@jackvlloyd @kingkhieu @GrandTurion "Not usually the good guys" is Soviet propaganda you fell for. - This is retarded.

I agree with this of what you said. In know way did anything I said, imply that I think other governments are good. They aren't, but much of what the US does empowers chaos across the world.

[Liberty On The Rocks @Liberty_Rocks]

@GrandTurion @kingkhieu @jackvlloyd It's because Commies are usually antiwar,despite sucking on just about everything else.

Also that Angela in the photo. She was the LNC chair at the time an organized a coalition event of libertarians and antiwar lefties.

It's not that complicated. You fucking walnut.