@Anth_Chatburn I think so, but it is a subjective assessment. LeClair has been part of teams which regularly were in the playoffs. The vets in the current drama haven’t.
@Anth_Chatburn My breed of frustration is that I don’t really see these vets as having earned that.
Place all the MM drama aside, what success have these vets have? Most of the culture that they’ve had is visibly toxic: streaky and prone to get into funks where they seem unwilling to show up.
@ToNewbyginnings Both the player and the agent deny being the source.
If a reporter has nothing but unnamed sources, the report should be viewed skeptically. Instead, it was taken as gospel.
“Trust me, bro” isn’t media ethics.
@dsilver88 Not reading it, b/c I don't have to.
This current firestorm is humerous because Seeler is at the center talking about toughness when Seeler hasn't been willing to do anything tough for a couple years.
I don't want to take the Michkov cult's POV, but Seeler should be gone
The fans are an angry mob and generally should be ignored.
We've established that no one is happy with the current situation or the years prior.
What now? Do we trade everyone but the M and M duo and Vlad? Not opposed, but I suspect that will continue mediocraty because there won't be a return on Risto or TK like what we need.
The issue of the team not giving anyone a reason to stay wildly predates MM or Tocchet or Danny as GM.
Hell, look at their Wikipeadia page and it's Flyers eras:
From highs to lows (2004-2014)
Multiple makeovers (2014-2023)
New Era of Orange (2023-present)
Lines up with my general sense that they've sucked off and on since the 04 lockout
@FlyersChirp@LostCore33 My Dad walked away after Lindros.
It took me a long time to get reinvested like I had been.
Watching people spazz out over Michkov makes me realize how soft things have become.
My dad talks about how excited he was when they came to the city.
He talks about listening to them play during college classes on radios snuck in. How everyone knew they were doing in during the playoffs in 74 and 75.
Eric Desjardins was my childhood hero because I played Defense and admired him. They lost bad to the Caps when I was 6 or 7 and all the adults with me at Capital One Arena jumped ontop of me because I was screaming "Lets go Flyers" at the top of my lungs while drunk Caps fans were getting pissy.
They've been disappointing and depressing for a long time. This "Culture, Culture, Culture" rot has been around a long time. If the 10+ years of mediocraty from them won't break you, why does this MM drama? I can say the same type things about the Eagles or the Phillies or the Sixers.
Don't claim to be a bigger fan if you can switch teams. I can decide I don't feel like watching them, but I am always a Flyers fan. I am always a Philly fan.
@FlyersChirp@Anth_Chatburn Is he?
You couldn't get me to root for another team because some hotshot player decided he didn't want to play here.
I'm not even from Philly, but I was raised as a Philly fan because my Dad is. I might be unhappy with them, but they are my team. It's like family.
Without playing the blame game, you have to wonder if John Tortorella was onto something yrs ago when he was adamant about not annointing Michkov as "the savior."
Was almost as if he was trying to protect the player amd organization from eachother with heavy expectations.
@AuronMacintyre It's a numbers game. The House shouldn't have been capped, instead the number of voters represented should have been capped.
The popular election of Senators also stripped the states of their main check on Federal power and now the states are little more that vestigle organs.