LotsaGray

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@eighteenholes18 @_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Appreciate the correction.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@eighteenholes18 @_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Thank you for proving I am correct. This is exactly what I have said. If the ball is embedded then this is NOT a HIO.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@eighteenholes18 @_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube https://t.co/Te9O8Djrn2

This video from USGA covers this exact situation. Per vid if bsll is not 100% below surface it is not holed EVEN IF IT IS TOUCHING PIN. Only question really is is it embedded.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube You can’t use 13.2c for an embedded ball. Straight from USGA you are completely wrong.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Once it is embedded, touching the pin exception is not applicable. That is exactly what rules director stated. Once it is an embedded ball you cannot refer to 13.2c exception because embedded ball rules take precedence

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube But you said we need video to see what happens when pin is removed. No we don’t because removing pin was removed from rules.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Correct. It says nothing about pulling pin.

But you are ignoring the direct quote from senior rules director saying for an embedded ball that exception does not apply. You think you know better than a USGA Senior Rules Director?

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Where provide an exact quote where it says you pull the pin to see what happens. You keep posting an exception talking about ball leaning against the pin. That rule says if it is leaning it is holed. IT SAYS NITHING ABIUT REMOVING PINT TO DETERMINE ANYTHING. That was pre2019 rule

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Rebut what the rules director says underlined in blue. Is the entire ball below the surface of green? Based on this quite is the ball holed or not

As to 13.2c exception, what does the director say underlined in green?

Can you answer those honestly?

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Again show me the rule talking about removing the flag

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Again show me any rule where it says anything about when the flagstick is removed. Quote it.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube You talk about me dying on a hill when the image shows a Senior Director of Rules telling you you are wrong

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube …the pin and see if ball falls. You can’t find that anywhere in the rules

But once the ball is embedded, embedded ball rules take precedence over the touching pin exception.

That isn’t me saying this it is a USGA Senior Director of Rules.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Show me a rule where the flag must be removed to determine the outcome. That is exactly what rule 14.2C DOESN’T SAY. If no part of the ball is below the surface then 13.2C doesn’t apply. But it literally states removal of the pin is not needed. Yet you insist we need to remove…

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube So. Where does it say remove pin see what happens and then decide. There is nothing about pulling pin to determine the ruling. In fact this is the opposite of what you claim and contradicts USGA Senior Director of Rules.

Simply put you are completely wrong.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube Show me a rule where removing the pin is part of this decision process. You claim it is but there is no such rule.

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube …the rules about what happens when flag is removed. So that doesn’t matter.

Per the rules as is it appears this is likely not HIO. I think it is bad rule but it is the rule.

Btw you should realize I was never wrong as you claimed And you cannot point rule where you are right

[LotsaGray @LotsaGray]

@_PiggyPie @NUCLRGOLF @YouTube No where in the definition of embedded is the pin mentioned. It has 2 criteria. Is ball in its own pitch mark. (Yes here). Is any part of ball below surface? Looks like yes here. That is it period end of story. You don’t get to add things to the definition. There is nothing in…