@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Read John again with that single question. Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I AM”, and “I am the First and the Last” .
If He truly is who He claimed to be, then this is much bigger than winning a debate.
May God lead both of us into truth. Go in peace, my friend.
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@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Thank you too, Aref. I genuinely appreciated the conversation.
And I’ll take your question seriously. I only ask you to do the same: don’t ask whether Christianity fits what you already believe about God—ask honestly who Jesus truly is.
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@Aref4rvl The Qur’an says the Gospel contains “guidance and light” (5:46), tells the People of the Gospel to judge by what God revealed in it (5:47), and even says to ask those who read the previous Scriptures (10:94).
So why should I reject what the Gospel says about Christ’s identity?
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks That doesn’t answer the question,
There’s a difference between saying Jesus was created BY God’s word and the Qur’an calling Jesus Himself “His Word” (4:171).
It also calls Him “a spirit from Him.”
Why does the Qur’an describe Jesus Himself this way?
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Sure. The Qur’an calls Jesus the Messiah, “a Word from Allah”, and “His Word” and “a spirit from Him”. Why are these titles uniquely applied to Jesus, and what do they reveal about His identity?
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Congratulations, you’re close to understanding the Trinity.
It’s not three Gods, but one divine Being in three Persons.
With a little more time and biblical study, I think you’ll see it. You’re very close.
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks So you haven’t read Revelation carefully either. Jesus Himself declares His identity: “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last.” (Rev. 22:13)
Do you need anything clearer than that?
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks That’s precisely what you’re missing: biblical revelation unfolds progressively.
Moses revealed the coming Prophet. John reveals His identity: “the Word was God… and the Word became flesh.”
Paul calls this “the mystery hidden for ages, but now revealed.” (Col. 1:26)
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks You’re confusing role with identity.
Christ came as Prophet, Messiah, and Servant, those describe His roles. They do not define His divine identity.
His identity? God incarnate: “the Word was God… and the Word became flesh.”
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Yes, Jesus is the Prophet like Moses, but Acts 3:22 describes His role, not the limit of His identity.
John identifies who that Prophet is: “the Word was God” (John 1:1), and “the Word became flesh” (1:14).
Prophet by office; God by nature. 😉
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Exodus 7:1 doesn’t work. Moses never said, “I and the Father are one.”
Jesus did (John 10:30). He said, “Before Abraham was, I AM” (8:58), and Thomas called Him “My Lord and my God” (20:28).
John is explicit: “the Word was God” (1:1).
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks You read John, so let John answer:
“I and My Father are one.” (John 10:30)
Their response? “You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” (John 10:33)
They understood His claim. They rejected it. That’s the point.
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks I don’t think you’ve actually read the Bible. You seem to be arguing against what you imagine it says rather than what it actually says. It’s like criticizing a movie you’ve never watched. My friend, at least watch the movie before giving your opinion on it.
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Now do the same mental gymnastics with this 2 verses from the OT and NT, back to back:
Joel 2:32: Call upon the name of YHWH → be saved.
Romans 10:9–13: Confess Jesus as Lord → call upon the Lord → be saved.
@Aref4rvl@AbaddonSpeaks Satan’s goal is to keep you from confessing Christ as God and Savior. As long as you deny Him, Satan is pleased.
Reject Christ, and you reject the One through whom God is revealed. That’s why the Trinity sounds like foolishness to you.
@MarbledWell7@rabbriansamuel By ‘self,’ I mean the soul-life Jesus spoke of when He said that whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses it for His sake will find it. That is why Paul says, ‘It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.’
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