I will block all LeBron fanboys. It is a fact that MJ would win more rings under LeBron's much more favorable circumstances, and nothing you say can change that
@YoMommasHouse__ MJ was also playing with a back injury throughout the Playoffs, plus the Sonics only got back in the series after Harper's knee injury (barely played Games 3-4-5). The Bulls' only 3 losses in 1996 Playoffs were with Kukoc or Harper injured. Could've gone 15-1 / 15-0 if healthy.
So much for LeBron being anywhere near as clutch as Jordan. Updated stats after LeBron missed the game-winner with 16 seconds left in Game 2 against Denver of 2024 1st Round. This also does not include LeBron's missed game-tying shot with 26 seconds left in Game 4 of 2023 WCF.
2022 Sixers were the 1-seed at 49-23 (55.8 win pace over 82), and the Bucks won the title that year. Lowest record for a 1-seed in a conference that won the title (1984-present, 16-team playoff format).
Lowest records for 1-seed (1984-present)
1984 LAL, 54-28
1999 MIA, 54-28 (33-17 adjusted)
2007 DET, 53-29
2017 BOS, 53-29
2022 MIA, 53-29
2023 DEN, 53-29
2002 NJN, 52-30
2003 DET, 50-32
In 16-team playoff format, no champion has come from a conference with 1-seed below 55 wins
@tomhaberstroh Jordan is 9 times All-D 1st Team (coaches)
T-most ever (Kobe, Garnett, Payton)
and 10 times Top 8 in DPOY (media)
T-most ever (Hakeem, Garnett, Duncan)
MJ played the fewest games/seasons of all those players. and there were no 2nd or 3rd place DPOY votes until 2002/03.
@StevenKelsey13 Leonard also shot 65% when guarded by LeBron in the 2014 Finals, as someone who only averaged 13 PPG in the season and Rounds 1-3 of the Playoffs. Had a FMVP Record 61.2% FG before Giannis barely broke it in 2021. Nobody shot 60% on MJ's defense that's for sure.
and while nobody "shut down" Magic, MJ still did a good job at the very least. held Magic to 0-0-0 on 0/2 FG, 2 TOs in OT of Game 3 (no Pippen after 6th foul end of 4th qtr). Magic shot 33% in Game 5, all 6 of his TOs were in part due to Jordan + more TOs not credited to Magic.
@PettyAirJordan What many don't know is that 22-year old Carmelo and 22-year old Deron Williams performed excellently against the 2007 Spurs, even with Bowen as their primary defender. Unlucky for them they actually had to play in a tough conference or they could have cakewalked in the East.
No doubt 1988-1998 MJ would win with 2007 Cavs. Never faced 2 0.500 teams, no-Ben Pistons, and an East with every team under 54 wins (never lost to a sub-54 win team).
2007 and 2008 Cavs were also number 1 in least playoff PPG allowed (MJ only had it in 1991 and 1996)
Someone needs to explain to me how the 2007 Finals cemented LeBron’s legacy but this past Finals tarnished Tatum’s. 🤷♂️
Tatum had to face 3 contenders just to get to the Finals. LeBron’s East comp: two .500 teams & a Ben Wallace-less Pistons. He didn’t even have better stats. 😭
In the Mavs-Suns series, Luka led all players on both teams in PPG RPG APG SPG (had 1 total block in 7 games).
We again see that leading in every or almost every category is becoming more common and a reflection of today's style of perimeter play, not being more well-rounded.
DAL 52 wins
GSW 53 wins
MIA 53 wins
BOS 51 wins
Must be the lowest win total of Conference Finals teams in a long time. Jordan never lost to a team below 54 wins.
In every series his team was the favorite and had home court advantage. This also doesn’t include blowing a 3-1 lead in 2015 after his team earned a 1-1 split on the road in his absence. Suns were also 2-0 in the 2021 WCF without CP3.
CP3 extended his record of blowing a 2-0 series lead to 5 times (2008, 2013, 2016, 2021, 2022). In 2016 both CP3 / Griffin were out after Game 4, but he still holds the record even if you remove 2016
CP3 extended his record of blowing a 2-0 series lead to 5 times (2008, 2013, 2016, 2021, 2022). In 2016 both CP3 / Griffin were out after Game 4, but he still holds the record even if you remove 2016
@RobertJPfeifer 2006-2010 Playoffs, among the 8 teams the Cavs beat
- 1 had 50+ wins
- 2007 DET
- 4 were 0.500 or worse
- 2007 WAS, 2007 NJN, 2009 DET, 2010 CHI
- 0 had 54+ wins
- and Jordan never lost to a team below 54 wins
This shows that leading in categories has to do with today's style of perimeter play, not being more well-rounded
MJ would do the same today. 0.6 RPG / 0.1 BPG from leading 1989 Bulls in all season stats
At 34 led 1997 Bulls in 5/5 for the last 3 Rds combined (T-Rodman in rebs)