Many people believe that the immigration tribunal isn't a court. It's a delay factory, paid for by us, that turns every deportation into a multi-year legal saga. The backlog has hit a record high. Not because the system is broken. Because it's working exactly as designed.
Every appeal buys another year. Every human rights claim buys 18 months while the claimant vanishes. The legal profession makes millions. The taxpayer settles every bill. The public gets nothing but the tab.
That's not justice, that's an industry built on stopping the state from enforcing its own laws.
Scrap it. Let ministers decide. Let someone take responsibility for once.
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Because those ones were organised rape gangs that operated for over a decade while the state looked the other way
The white British ones get prosecuted. The others were protected by multicultural sensitivity, a police force terrified of being called racist, and a political class that decided little girls in Rotherham and Rochdale were an acceptable price for social cohesion.
That's the difference. One lot got done. The other lot got a blind eye and a diversity training course.
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A former Twitter executive wants penalties for "misinformation" on the platform that let the pedo rpe gangs story break after his version of Twitter spent years burying it.
The rpe gangs. The organised crime. The towns the state forgot. That's the "misinformation" he means. Things you weren't supposed to see.
Now he wants @elonmusk banned from the country. For letting you see them…
The problem isn't what the public are looking at. It's that you can't make them look away anymore.
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"The real test is how well we live together afterwards."
We've been living together for 30 years, Thom. The pedo rpe gangs. The parallel communities. The organised crime. The towns where English is a minority language. The test is long over.
We failed it. Go and live in Tower Hamlets like i did and then come back to this thread and share your thoughts on your actual experiences rather than reading
The question now isn't integration. It's whether anyone is allowed to say that out loud without being called a racist for it.
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Marr says people admire BASE jumpers for resisting gravity, and Starmer is doing the same with the electorate?!
Difference.
Gravity is a law of physics. It can't be reasoned with and it doesn't vote.
The electorate gave Starmer his job. He has failed the country. Defying a law of physics is brave. Defying the people who handed you power is just contempt.
Not the same thing at all @AndrewMarr9
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Let me walk you through this slowly……
The armed forces defend the country. The country has borders. The MOD runs the armed forces. A PPS at the MOD resigned. I noticed a connection.
This is called thinking. It is not called racism.
Racism is believing one race is inferior. Noticing that a defence ministry and national borders might be connected is not that. They are different concepts. The word you were reaching for was "observation." Hope that clears things up for you.
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"My first duty is to keep the British people safe, and I will always do what is necessary to protect our national security" …….Keir Starmer, 11 June 2026, as his defence team resigns around him.
Here is everything he's actually done.
Defence. His own Defence Secretary went public with a letter declaring the Treasury has been "unwilling" to fund national security. His Armed Forces Minister, a decorated Royal Marines veteran, resigned because Number 10 "will not listen." His MoD PPS quit hours earlier. The Army is at its smallest in 200 years. Recruitment has collapsed. Soldiers are leaving faster than they can be replaced. And the Prime Minister's response to all of it is a statement insisting his first duty is to keep Britain safe. He is issuing press releases about a fire while his own fire brigade walks out.
Borders. Scrapped the Rwanda deterrent on day one and replaced it with nothing. 27,000 and counting this year alone, unvetted, unidentified, unknown, overwhelmingly male, arriving in small boats. The smuggling gangs are running a de facto ferry service and the government's policy is to process, not stop. You cannot claim to protect the country while dismantling its border controls.
Prisons. The early release scheme has put violent criminals back on the streets because the government ran out of space. Thousands of dangerous offenders released before serving their sentences. The public told to accept it because there was no alternative. "Keeping the British people safe" apparently includes letting convicted criminals out early because the system wasn't managed.
Every one of these is a choice. The Treasury chose not to fund defence. The Home Office chose not to enforce the border. The Ministry of Justice chose to release prisoners rather than build capacity. And Starmer chose all of it, or failed to stop it, which is the same thing in the job he holds.
He says his first duty is to keep the British people safe. The record says his first instinct is to say whatever the moment requires and hope nobody checks (which is prob why he hates X so much)
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The far right isn't filling a void, Hussain. You're describing a symptom and calling it the cause. People aren't angry because they've been radicalised by extremists. They're angry because they voted for governments that lied to get into office and then governed like they'd won a dictatorship, not an election.
Nobody was asked. Nobody was consulted. Nobody gave consent for their money to be taken and funnelled into projects whose explicit aim is to subvert the cultural and democratic will of the people who paid for them. That's not a void the far right filled. That's a theft the political class committed and then refused to discuss.
And when people object, when they notice the borders are open, the Army is shrinking, the benefits bill is untouchable, and their own government treats them as a problem to be managed, the response is always the same: call them far right and hope the label does the work the argument can't. It's a silencing tactic dressed up as sociology. Anyone with an ounce of common sense can see what's happening. The question is whether you're willing to.
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you have laid out the arithmetic the arrogant political class won't say out loud. Reeves won't touch welfare because welfare claimants are what's left of Labour's electoral coalition. So the benefits bill rises, defence gets squeezed, and the Defence Secretary has to beg his own government to take national security seriously.
A government that buys votes with taxpayers' money is a protection racket, not a government. And a Prime Minister who lets his Chancellor run one while his own defence team resigns in public isn't leading, he's the silent and complicit partner in the arrangement.
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He's right. And it's not just "everyone" look at who specifically is walking. The Defence Secretary reduced to writing public letters of protest. The Armed Forces Minister, a Royal Marines veteran, resigning because Number 10 won't listen to the people who've actually served. A PPS quitting the MoD. These aren't the careerists jumping before a reshuffle. These are the people who have been in uniform, who know what a battlefield looks like, and who have concluded this self-serving Prime Minister is not serious about national security, he cares only about his ideology
The Treasury won't fund defence. The borders are open. HMOs are full, at the taxpayers expense. The Army is at its smallest in 200 years. And the response from Number 10 to all of it is silence. Middleton's diagnosis is correct. The one man who should be resigning is the one man who won't…..it would appear to many that he has no shame as well as no mandate anymore.
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I served. And I'll tell you what anyone who wore the uniform already knew: the military men amd women in this government were the only ones with any integrity in the building. Healey goes public because Number 10 won't listen. Carns resigns because Number 10 won't listen. Two men who have been shot at, telling a Prime Minister who has never served a day that his own soldiers are being failed …and being ignored.
"We owe those who serve the kit to do the job and the loyalty to stand by them when it's done. We are failing on both." That's not a politician's resignation letter. That's a Royal Marines veteran who has had enough of watching his government treat national security as a rounding error.
The rest of the Cabinet stays quiet. The Treasury keeps the purse shut. The Foreign Office launches another peace fund on the same day. But the men who know what a battlefield looks like? They're the ones walking out. Always were going to be. The people who actually give a damn are the ones leaving the room….i salute my military brothers and sisters for their integrity. Mr Healy was clearly well like and well resptected. the total opposite of Starmer
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Healey's letter hasn't dried. Same day, the FCDO announces a new International Peace Fund… UK, Australia, Canada, pooling taxpayer money for projects that will "bring Israelis and Palestinians together."
A brief history of Middle East peace funds. The EU has poured billions into Palestinian institution-building since Oslo. The UN runs 17 separate agencies in the region. USAID spent decades funding dialogue workshops. The cumulative result: 7 October, Gaza levelled, and "peace process" now a phrase used exclusively as black comedy.
But here we are, launching another one. Three countries whose own militaries are crumbling, whose own Defence Secretary went public with a cry for help, finding cash for an initiative that will produce glossy reports, a handshake photo, and precisely nothing durable.
The FCDO says the fund will "rebuild trust." You cannot tender for trust. You cannot award a grant for it and file the evaluation report 18 months later. The word "real" in "real projects" is doing the work of implying the last 30 years were a rehearsal.
Meanwhile the Army is at its smallest in 200 years, Healey is writing protest letters, and the Treasury says there's no money for national security. But a new Middle East peace fund? Funds available. Same government, same week, completely different answer.
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Healey has done something genuinely unusual ……a Cabinet minister telling the public what he's been telling his colleagues in private, because the private route failed. "You have been unable, and the Treasury has been unwilling" is not Whitehall code. It's a cry for help in plain English.
He's right. Reeves has found money for: net zero subsidies, overseas climate aid, diversity directorates that now outnumber infantry battalions, and a civil service that has swollen by 130,000 since 2016. But a frigate? A pay rise for soldiers? Ammunition stocks that last more than a fortnight? The Treasury door is closed. Not broke…. unwilling.
Starmer is "unable." The word hangs there. Unable to overrule his own Chancellor. Unable to set a strategic priority and enforce it. Unable to do the one thing a Prime Minister exists to do, which is adjudicate between two departments and make a decision. He is being managed by his own government…..
Reeves is worse. She's not skint, she's chosen. Defence doesn't fit the worldview, so defence waits. There is always another climate commitment. Always another overseas project to announce where our money, not theirs, gets spunked up the wall. Always another DEI post to create. Meanwhile the Army is at its smallest since the Napoleonic era, soldiers are quitting faster than they can be replaced, which i totally understand as a veteran as i would not risk my life for a country that has been ruined by utter incompetence, and the Defence Secretary had to go public because the Treasury wouldn't even pick up the phone.
Healey has done the country a service. The question now is whether Starmer listens or whether the one man telling the truth becomes the next one out the door….
But we all know, that starmer is obsessed with his ideology and NOT his country
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@ShabanaMahmood The Home Secretary has discovered her department can enforce the law when it chooses to. Now do the Channel.
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Susan is asking a question any sane country would treat as obvious: why are British taxpayers funding the Palestinian Authority when our own military is under-resourced?
The government tells us there is no money for defence. But the foreign aid budget is untouchable and the Palestinian Authority payroll is apparently a sacred obligation….?
And look at the replies. She is called evil for suggesting British taxes should serve British citizens first.
That is not a fringe position. It is the settled view of most of the country. Westminster just refuses to hear it.
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@elonmusk and yet they wonder why so many people despise the political class? Self-serving egotistical narcissists who have no relationship with decency and common sense