@Mella10G@jtsukipg@nicolasluissil3 La mitad de estos ejemplos violaron libertades constitucionales y fueron denunciados por organizaciones de derechos humanos. Lo de sin lider autoritario es cierto, pero que tanto puede sostenerse que un gobierno con 90% de aprobacion ciudadana es anti-democratico?
@secondbyfarce@burnthalies@splitzerr1@Azawariah0 It's not nonsense. Do you think that people merely liking a good has no effect on the profits of the people who produce that good? Where do you think the demand curve comes from?
@Mella10G@jtsukipg@nicolasluissil3 No es un hecho factico. La proposicion A. existen paises no autoritarios con baja tasa de delincuencia no es identica a B. la tasa de homicidios per capita mas alta de latinoamerica se baja sin estado de excepcion.
Y yo defiendo castigo a delincuentes, no persecucion ideologica.
@secondbyfarce@burnthalies@splitzerr1@Azawariah0 The point is just that accounting, monetary revenue, cost and profit are ultimately reducible to human valuation, so that the 'profit incentive' to produce precedes a monetary economy.
@secondbyfarce@burnthalies@splitzerr1@Azawariah0 What if I want a higher wage for my labor time to be employed in something I don't like to do vs something I like to do, thus increasing the costs to my employer for the same labor-time across employment on account of my subjective valuation of my own labor-time?
@secondbyfarce@burnthalies@splitzerr1@Azawariah0 It is indeed nonsense. And accounting profits are indeed created in exchange. But what is the source of accounting profit in terms of human valuation if not the excess between the valuation of a product - the revenues - and that of it's factors of production - it's costs?
@splitzerr1@burnthalies So... the reward for something being greater than it's cost? As in, I go through the toil of working the soil because I want to eat it's produce?
@secondbyfarce@burnthalies@splitzerr1@Azawariah0 So... the reward for something being greater than it's cost? As in, I go through the toil of working the soil because I want to eat it's produce?
@Mella10G@jtsukipg@nicolasluissil3 No te da la impresion de 'se puede combatir a bandas homicidas con la misma efectividad que en El Salvador en un contexto democrático y de respeto a las instituciones' es una proposicion 100% ideologica que te estas inventando?
@Mella10G@jtsukipg@nicolasluissil3 Eso esta muy bien. Nadie dijo que el encarcelamiento masivo sea la *unica* causa, pero *es una causa* de la reduccion de la criminalidad en El Salvador. No es serio afirmar que encarcelar a decenas de miles de delincuentes no va a tener efecto sobre la tasa de delincuencia.
@Mella10G@jtsukipg@nicolasluissil3 1. Pedanteria linguistica denuevo, el punto es claro.
2. Sin duda.
3. Que existan otros factores que lleven a una baja de la delincuencia no invalida el hecho de que meter delincuentes en la carcel necesariamente debe bajar la delincuencia.