Not somehow. If you don't want a child, didn't intend to have one, explicitly stated you weren't going to carry one, and are now being forced to against your will by someone else, then whoever is enfocing that use of your body on you is an agressor. If your double checking so your next move can be to say "aww but poor defenseless baby", then cool, but don't pretend you are making a principled case.
The word "responsibility" is equivocation there. You are responsile for the consequences of your actions. But that doesn't in any way impede or reduce your right to defense, or grant consent to anyone else for anything at all. Period. If you don't like the alley, pick one of a million other examples.
No. Actions have conseqences, sure. But if you don't intend to have a child, don't want one, and explicitly tell your partner you won't carry one to term, the claim that you actually consented just because it could have happened and did, is just nonsense.
Where else do you think your actual literal spoken intent and agreement to the contrary gets overridden to force consent through your biology? That's just a wild take.
@VoluntaristG@glowieboiz No, that's an appeal to how actual consent and bodily autonomy work. Also Tort law is actually private law, but that's fine. I take it that's a no on you actually going out and adopting as many children as you can then?
I guess we can play this out. You can't enter into a contract with a person that doesn't exist yet, so you didn't give consent to the child before they were concieved, and having sex isn't always consenting to having a child with the person you're sleeping with. You aren't entitled to use someone else's body without their consent, even if you are "defenseless".
Minimum necessary force and proper care for the persons survival should be used when you remove someone. The moralizing here is just stong emotional preference, which is fine. But then go adopt as many kids as you can. Have you?
@VoluntaristG@glowieboiz Then I guess I'm morally bankrupt. What ever am I to do? I guess exactly what I was going to do anyway.
I already know both sides of this argument, and unless this is liberty 101 for you, then so do you. My point isn't to litigate abortion. This just isn't a utilitarian issue.
Calling it not utilitarian does touch the point. People are calling this a "problem with utiliarianism". It's not, and conflating those things to score points doesn't help.
To your point, there is no right to life. Defense and eviction are perfectly reasonable deontological positions even if you disagree with them. So lets not pretend this is a settled deontological argument either.
@VoluntaristG@glowieboiz Sure, but this isn't a utilitarian issue. Someone with the handle "VoluntaristG" probably also knows the deontological arguments for and against abortion.
@BasefoOok@mises Yes, the giveaway of up to five books was just during May. Although you can still get it as a PDF for free here: https://t.co/aySBx03X6N
The @mises institute is giving away free physical copies of "The Anatomy of the State" to celebrate the 100th Anniversary of the Birthday of Dr. Murray Rothbard. https://t.co/re7r0VabL5
@ancaplets Most moral deontologists revert to some form of personal utiliarian calculus when they don't consider an issue morally prohibited. The only issue here is the morality of abortion.
@philosophymeme0 The material is finite and a closed system, but the same material has existed since the time of cave men. The thing that "grows" is the value of that material, and there is nothing closed or finite about that, because value is not at all proportional to the physical quantity.
@YoungRightUS Libertarians are basically the only people who actually follow the US constitution, instead of the made up version where you pretend that the commerse clause lets the government do anything they like.