Mango_Slush_

Catch me over on Twitch @Mango_Slush_ (Every night starting at 8pm CST)

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

Made it to a Rev video!!! Bruh that has to be my luck for the year!!

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

Thanks @Leaflit, love your content and what your doing for everyone!!

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

Made it to a Rev video!!! Bruh that has to be my luck for the year!!

[Perma Banned ထ🔨 @GiveMeBanHammer]

That is a very stupid analogy. Let me explain:

1. Physical theft deprives the owner: Stealing merchandise means the shop loses the item and the sale. Training an Ai on publicly posted art leaves the original intact. It's non-rivalrous data, not removal.

2. Public vs. private: Artists upload to public platforms for visibility. This isn't a private shop refusing service. It's like displaying work in a public gallery then complaining people studied it. Leaflit building a VTuber avatar tool uses learned statistical patterns across vast data, not "stealing" specific assets after refusal.

3. Transformative, not substitution: Humans learn styles by viewing public art and create new work (legal). AI does the same at scale for a new purpose. US courts have repeatedly called this transformative fair use when data is lawfully sourced not theft. If it was sampled from something paywalled, then perhaps you could have an argument.

4. Its stupid to analogise what Leaflit did to "sneaking back after refusal" to steal: Leaflit, and anyone who ends up using the tool, are using publicly available data or training new models.

Humans do the exact same thing legally - study public art to learn styles and create inspired work. Are you going to accuse a human artist who sampled the style of another, of theft?

If artists refuse direct commissions with someone due to personal disagreements, that doesn't grant them a veto over public data use or technological innovation. That's not how copyright works as it stands. Copyright instead protects specific expression, not ideas, styles, or "my labour broadly."

Again, we can an entire discussion of the ethics and nuances of generative Ai and I think its an important one to have. Saying dumb things and giving dumb analogies however, does not help you. It makes you look silly.

Just say you are an American leftist, you hate anything Leaflit does because your opposition is purely political. I don't mind.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

Officially signed up for classes 🙌 but that means my summer is almost gone 😭😭

[NotAzehara @NotAzehara]

The anti Ai people being so hostile against people that use it have probably done the most damage but these are the things that I think contribute the most to people using Ai:

1. Nobody likes to be told what they can or cant do and people being hostile over some Ai art pushes others to make more of it out of spite

2. Telling people not to work with or associate with someone because they use Ai also pushes the pro Ai people to group up and innovate more. "You use Ai so I will make sure no artist ever works with you again"

3. Many artists being unreliable. Even people who have wanted to support artists have a few horror stories of dealing with irresponsible artists or scammers.

4. Money. Many artists decided to drastically increase their prices because demand went up for vtuber art. Why are you adding a "commercial fee" for a Vtuber model? Why are you trying to make the user sign a moral agreement of what they can or can't do with something they paid money for? Does anyone remember that Bao was scammed $35k for a lore Video? Sure the end result can lack some consistency but it sure as hell beats paying for something and never getting it.

5. User has more control over a project. Not sure if a design would work better with a hat? A hoodie? A different color? You can generate 50 different variations of the same design with a few changes instead of relying on one artist's vision.

6. Accessibility. Anyone can do it and end up with a final product that, even it generic, looks fairly good.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@xxxxJudexxxx Save File Corrupted

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@HeyImLucious That is a great point I forgot about thank you,I know people have issues with Vedal sometimes it just seems the reactions by so many people just crashing out over this program and blacklisting people while a giant successful AI program is literally chilling was surprising.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

Being anti AI is fine but why would any up and coming vtuber want to use an artist if all they do is rage and attack anyone who says AI is fine or that they like this program. If using AI as a vtuber is wrong then what about Nuero-sama the AI vtuber I've never seen rage over that

[Leaflit 🍃 Angel's Sword @Leaflit]

Budget VTuber System update.

I also show how to make a model in real time.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

Jeezus RNG IN FATE GRAND ORDER IS KILLING ME!!!😭😭 just give me who I want 😌

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@KSB2215 No I quote RT then responded to leafs comment how am I grandstanding and failing to make a point and how did I get bodied by her saying nueros considered different it a sarcastic way lol I wasn't even arguing with her did you read the post or just spam something. LoL

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@IgnusEntity It had to learn the words and phrases as a base program from somewhere it did not create it that's where the comparison is. After the program was fined tuned and became its own unique thing that's not what Im talking about.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@IgnusEntity Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@DerekBrown76355 Im confused so you only thing the ai users are to blame??

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@DerekBrown76355 But I do get what your saying but being angry is one things lashing out,black listing, gate- keeping is to much and only makes people want to use AI to say fuck you to "artists".

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@SilvaniKillian I included that for people that say that the point is that the base form to learn conversations had to use books, articles and things it did not own like for art images to create something it was then fine tuned and became its own thing. Im only saying the start of the program.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@SilvaniKillian Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@Key_Junk I also don't know about the whole Twitter thing it doesn't really matter to me tbh. I really was just rambling my thoughts.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@Key_Junk Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@DerekBrown76355 Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@AskVoltai @Leaflit Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@Leaflit Data scraping through others images which is what people arguing is still comparable to scraping sentences and words from books and stuff the program didn't write that's all I would compare

[Mango_Slush_ @Mango_Slush_]

@Leaflit Yes art wise the only comparison would be the data used for her speech is built the same way by using books and articles from authors and journos the way gen Ai would use art. So just fundamentally its the same not an actual one for one