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@Jerzey_18@Heartland_CS Did the agent know that Cincy knew and then still pitched his client to TT without disclosing it? Or did TT not care and just took a chance on a kid with gambling issues?
Aside from the fact that Cincy might have known, what I am wondering is whether his agent knew about it before pitching his client to TT and possibly not disclosing it to them. Not sure what the moral or legal standing is there but I believe they have to abide by Sports Agent Responsibility and Trust Act (SPARTA) and Uniform Athlete Agents Act (UAAA).
The NCAA doesn't tell a team whether they should play a kid or not they just determine eligibility. It is the school, AD and coaches that make that final decision. No player is guaranteed playing time. Since TT didn't come right out and say that he will not play even though he is eligible caused everyone to assume they were going to play him. Then they got the Texas AG involved so that put the nail in the coffin since everyone then knew TT wasn't going to do the right thing.
District Court Judge Ken Curry filed the temporary injunction order in Lubbock County, Texas. That's a local court and state judge who was brought out of retirement to make that ruling after the sitting judge recused himself because he is a TT fan. All around smells of good ole boy network.
@GeneEgdorf@RossDellenger Yeah the Big12 said we don't respond well to threats and we call your bluff. Not a good look to send a letter that basically says we will sue you if you try to enforce the rules.
@Ivantheboomer@espn@PeteThamel@grok No he gets a second chance. The only thing it might affect is what pick a team is willing to offer for him in the supplemental draft if they think he might still have a problem. He will be closely monitored I am sure.
@urbankhonker@YahooSports@RossDellenger Correct for this one only enforcing Big 12 Bylaws is in question here. The NCAA will appeal their own case for eligibility.
With this the Big 12 are placing the venue into Federal Court instead of Lubbock County court where TT and Sorsby are much more likely to find a sympathetic judge to issue an injunction like they did against the NCAA. Since the Texas AG got involved and there are members of the Big 12 that span multiple states and also possibly because what Sorsby did was a federal offense this makes sense. In this way the Supremacy Clause applies and basically will overrule whatever a local Texas county judge decides.
@Sp8806@KelRobin_5 Yeah if this happened at Texas the TT fans would be roasting them as well. I mean pros have been banned for life for doing the same thing. Its just a rule that you can't cross.
@JBU_LAW They are not going to sanction TT right now. The Big12 will rule him ineligible according to their own rules, not the NCAA’s. Then and only if TT keeps him on the active roster will they be sanctioned.
Sure people make mistakes, but if it was only a gambling addiction he could have chose to gamble on sports that don’t involve his own team. Same as trying to fight the NCAA and Big12 on elligibilty. The NFL gave him the option to enter the supplemental draft but looks like he isn’t taking that into consideration even though he may not get to play another snap in college. We each have to make our own decisions and live with them.
It indicates that if the Texas AG gets involved with this after the Big 12 suspends Sorsby themselves, that he will have to deal with the AG’s of each Big 12 member state that back the Big 12 in this. They would be enforcing their own rules which each member school signed on to. This will be significant pressure on TT. It could basically cancel their season against the other schools if they keep him on the active roster.
@turnertyler8486@espn The NFL was willing to let him enter the supplemental draft with deadline of the 20th of this month for a decision. Wonder if that is off the table now or if it still stands. If he decides to stay in college with possibility he doesn't play, then that is on him.
I think you could possibly rationalize betting on CFB as long as it isn't your own team although the NCAA doesn't allow any betting whatsoever professional or amateur. However, everyone knows you can't bet on your own team, even if you have a gambling addiction you can get your fix betting on other sports or other teams. Betting on your own team shows you intended to use your own position at QB to influence the outcome of the game that you are playing in. This is very easy to do at the position he plays. This is why it is aggregious.
I believe a college sports conference such as the Big12 can rule a player ineligible even if the NCAA clears them or as in this case some judge rules the NCAA can't remove his eligibility at least temporarily pending an appeal. Conferences and individual universities set their own policies, and bylaws which can be stricter than the NCAA's standards. An athlete must meet NCAA, conference, and institutional requirements simultaneously to play. I suspect the Big12 conference will not allow him to play in any conference games. If TT has him on the active roster against any other Big12 teams then TT may be forced to forfeit.
@TreyWallace I hear Tim Donaghy wants his job back reffing NBA games, he also claims he suffered irreparable harm. Unfortunately this precedent has come a bit too late for Pete Rose.
The comments out of TT don’t indicate they will not play him. That is the problem. If they just came out and said we are glad he got his eligibility back and will support him in his battle with gambling, but due to violation of team rule will not get to play. That is all that would be required and all would be well. They may still have to pay him his NIL but that would be the extent of the damage. If the NCAA ultimately wins their appeal and he has played in any games that TT wins and ultimately is required to forfeit it would sink the Big12 this year. So I am sure the conference is making this very clear to TT.
The NCAA will appeal this decision and win I am guessing. Not sure how long the appeal will take but just because they found a judge to rule in their favor doesn’t mean it is settled. If the NCAA ultimately wins then TT will be forced to vacate any games that he plays in. It is just sad that TT really plans to play him. They should just have made the decision not to and all would be well in college football. They are going to regret this.
@BrennanBaxt You can’t have any sports league that allows players to bet against their own games. Why do you thing refs can’t bet on games they ref? Anyone that can affect the outcome of a game being played can not bet on it. It is just common sense.