The dilema is and will be always present. Shall we buy what our industry knows to build and needs to sell or shall we buy what our armies need.
For so long, al EU countries have bought what their industries needed to sell. Now we have dysfunctional armies and uncompetitive industries.
France shall reconsider if they really need and can afford to be “strategically autonomous” in all fronts at the same time: aircraft carriers, jet fighters, launchers, communication satellites, nuclear weapons, main battle tanks, cruise missiles, military AI…or if it might make sense let the others carry out the heavy investments, buy material from them at DISCOUNT price and reorient its own industrial resources in a different way.
French could benefit themselves a lot from accepting the reality and addapting to it rather than confronting all scenarios they dont like.
@grok@Sr_GomasII@Grok no me jodas, te has olvidado de incluir la influencia de los dioses de ambos. Los dioses griegos son mas poderosos que los vikingos y ademas saben leer.
@grok@Sr_GomasII@grok en una hipotetica guerra ficticia entre los Griegos de la epoca de la Odisea y los vikingos del siglo 10, quien crees que hubiera ganado. Ten en cuenta la experiencia en navegacion maritima, construccion de naves, armaduras y armas, poblacion, etc.
@VincentLamigeon The question is: will Helsing’s AI be used to prosecute government’s detractors like AfD supporters?
How will Helsing handle the risk for them to be used as an opression instrument to a subset of their own citizens?
For the France public spending, I meant 52% (budgettary balance against taxes) + 5% deficit = 57.
But overall, I accept your corrections and I appreciate your rigor. You seem one of the few who actually take a complex conversation like this a render it constructive. Good job with that.
Yes, of course I do NOT think there is an absolute way in which the german industry in its current state (at least regarding the space sector) can productively digest the butgets they are talking about.
To give some figures, Germany foresees investing 35B€ in space in the next 5 years. That is around 7B€ a year or the equivalent of all the rest of the continent combined.
It is absolutely impossible to assimilate that in the proposed timeframe. They would just need another europe-equivalent pool of engineers to satisfy that. That pool simply does not exist currently in Europe. Yes, engineers can be taken from other industries and retrained, but it will take years to develop competence, years to articulate component supply chains…
This is likely going to end very badly for the german tax payer.
Germany’s crush on EU defense industrial capture is just a manifestation of the enormous latent economical and financial gap that had been sepparating them from the other European major countries for the last decades. France has been running a 4-5% deficit on an already 52% public spending over GDP for DECADES. Italy has done pretty much the same (bit less deficit, lot more overall debt), spain sits at 45% public spending over GDP with 115% debt ratio.
Germany’s debt sits at 60% of their GDP with 0% deficit.
Believing that such a MASSIVE gap was never going to play a role in a future power rebalancing is just living in Narnia.
And I insist, in terms of rocketry, if Starship ends up working on thursday, comparing it with our Ariane 6 would be like comparing a Ford 150 with a bicycle.
Airbus Space Germany is an absolutely zombified company loosing money non-stop while their workers work 32h a week, get absent due to sickness every monday and friday and have technology that already got obsolete 10 years ago.
OHB in the other side is 40-50% de facto composed of italians.
Ariane is currently getting 350M€/year in DIRECT subsidies from ESA’s joint budget to make their shitty rocket sellable (not competitive, just sellable). The IRIS2 constellation was conceived as an EU program to guarantee a minimum (pathetic minimum) of strategic autonomy against Starlink, that has been fully captured by French primes via all sorts of political and financial government intervention mainly to give a second chance to french satellite telecom industry after they practically went extinct when Starlink came out.
Of course, the likehood for it to be yet another massive failure financed with all european’s taxpayers money is absolutely huge, but you wont hear any french complaining because they will be the ones capitalizing all those 10B€.
France’s model of absolutely overbloated and omnipresent state is failing. Your communistic 55% public spending over GDP does not reach to finance your “strategic” aspirations and now you are trying to find someone else to pay for them.
But as I said, the only difference between France and Germany is just 10 years. Germans are running down the exact same hill of incapability to reform their state so they will likely end up throwing away a good chunk of all the money they are pumping into their industries.
By the way, I totally support the approach from the technical standpoint. ICEYE’s products are great and I rather put my trust on them before contracting any of the other EU space dinosaurs (hello Bromo)
Just whatever happens make sure you put ESA aside or they will turn the project into a fucking calamity
None of that matters if you do not have the balls nor the means to shoot at your enemy.
Germany has no fleet, no long range bombers, no ballistic missiles, and almost 0 stock of cruise missiles. There is zero german capability to project power anywhere.
What is the point of overdimensioning the intel & recon area if you do not have the capability to act at all?
By the way, how are they going to launch them? With an Ariane 6? At 130M€ a launch?
They will burn their all debt space and end up with a disfunctional mix of overbloated and underdeveloped military capabilities.
@grok Puedes hacer una investigacion rapida acerca del transporte rodado en el antiguo imperio romano? Que tipo de vehiculos se utilizaban, donde se construian y cuan habituales eran? Recupera informacion de todas las fuentes disponibles (informes de yacimientos arqueologicos pero tambien represenaciones graficas o relieves o mosaicos de la epoca). Prioriza las fuentes que parezcan tener mayor calidad.
@imorenogallo Tendria sentido buscar restos fosilizados en entornos de puertos o rios que pudieran haber sido sepultados por inundaciones o mareas?
Hay museos que tengan buen material en cuanto a carros?
@esa / Europe does not have reusable launchers, or space capsules, or space suits.
They have never landed anything on the Moon, or on Mars.
They havent ever carried out a succesful orbital reentry (something americans achieved 60 years ago).
They can’t send probes further than Jupiter, because due to their anti-nuclear ideology, they refused to develop the only technology that can allow that, Radioisotope Thermal Generators (RTGs).
Yet, they spend 1B€ a year on financing other countries’ earth observation capabilities via Copernicus and another 500M€ obsolete technologies like Ariane 6, Vega and Exomars.
They also do not pay the taxes the rest of Europeans do to finance their activities.
Then if you complain or raise your voice, they block you or shadow ban your company by excluding it from their contracts.
We have the enemy at home.