Matt

Care about democracy and others. Socialist. A non-binary sorta guy. He/him, on Wurundjeri land. Gay sub, big geek. Working class. Greens member.

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@Rev_ADB Wait, so Skyward Sword Zelda is the ancestor of all Hylians? That's really interesting, I figured Hylians would've been more broadly the descendants of the Skyloft humans.

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@PyryuOfButter @RocketLeeArt @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler There's also the fight against Freeza, where he snaps a few times iirc.

Just btw, I'm not saying actions when snapping were good or bad. I'm just saying that in Multiverse, Gohan was the one that contained his anger on his own, and got another person (Bra) to calm down.

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@PyryuOfButter @RocketLeeArt @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler - He clearly did struggle to contain himself when Videl was hurt. Goku told him to calm down, and he was about to do something before Yamu told Spopovitch to surrender.
- Social interactions with a class mate are not really comparable to anything here.

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@PyryuOfButter @RocketLeeArt @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler I was just speaking about Gohan, the Pan stuff I went through here if you're interested in reading it and forming your own view:

https://t.co/ikiGaYBIaJ

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@MiddyEG @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler I'll respond to this in good faith.

The setting is a multiverse tournament, where you're allowed to kill your opponents because they'll be revived with the dragon balls. Lots of characters have died, including Gohan, and been revived.

This is a Pan from another universe.

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@ToonPenguinKai @RealTruggler Ironically, given the context of the initial post, Dragon Ball Multiverse does this.

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@RealTruggler I'm gonna leave this link here in good faith. But to surmise - no, it wasn't just shock value, and it contributed to *our* universe's Pan's development. And frankly, I care more about our Pan than her counterpart.

https://t.co/ikiGaYBIaJ

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@MiddyEG @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler I'll respond to this in good faith.

The setting is a multiverse tournament, where you're allowed to kill your opponents because they'll be revived with the dragon balls. Lots of characters have died, including Gohan, and been revived.

This is a Pan from another universe.

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@MiddyEG @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler It's dragon ball. When has it ever been more than mid tier writing? Parts of Namek I guess, at most...

It is partly shock value in changing the tone somewhat. But you managed to skip the other purposes there - character's reactions, and how *our* Pan responds to her counterpart.

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@embertronus21 @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler But it's fine when we watch big muscular man break a 5 year old's neck on Namek?

Dragon Ball can be violent. It's what it does with that violence that's interesting imo - and why most fan fiction killing Pan is trite and boring.

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@embertronus21 @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler And this was frankly not as bad as Gohan's fight against Recoome in terms of brutality.

Honestly, there are other worse deaths in the comic too. One of its common criticisms is the level of gore.

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@embertronus21 @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler Yeah no, in this specific case she wasn't 'killed off'. It's a multiversal tournament with dragon balls, this alternate universe Pan was revived shortly after.

Characters die in the comic, you're allowed to kill in the matches. Cause dragon balls.

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@embertronus21 @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler It didn't make anyone stronger. Gohan powered up to prevent Bra from acting rash and killing Bojack.

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@MiddyEG @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler Which she does, against a Goku who didn't hit his head, resulting in her transforming into a Super Saiyan for the first time. The other Pan is revived shortly after her match, but our Pan is given more attention in the story than her counterpart.

Here's some colour pages of it.

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@MiddyEG @TogashiAngel @RealTruggler We saw Videl's grief, Son Bra's rage, and Gohan containing his own rage for the sake of his daughter.

We also saw *our* Pan react to her counterpart's death - her wanting to resign from the tournament out of fear and being encouraged to stay by Vegeta (who fills an uncle role).

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@PandaNoodly @moonsmoke94 This guy is in all likelihood not engaging in anything sexual. He's wearing clothing that originates in a specific kink subculture; that's all.

I don't see why we should limit his self-expression given this context.

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@KloNeda @daiSenpaiiiii @Axl_hk I'll skip a bunch and just say, particularly if keeping to the manga, Goten could be close in power to the (more) rusty Gohan prior to his training for the Tenkaichi Budokai. And we don't know how strong that especially rusty Gohan is, to my knowledge. He could be CG Goku level.

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@KloNeda @daiSenpaiiiii @Axl_hk Also, are the other claims like Shin's power in the Daizenshuu too?

[Matt @MattSinapi]

@KloNeda @daiSenpaiiiii @Axl_hk Does Gohan not train for the ~month before the Tenkaichi Budokai? His power after that training could feasibly be quite higher than prior to it.